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And my role didn't have a purpose that day when you accused me because I didn't accept the role until the following night.
As a group we didn't see a reason to sacrifice one of our abilities the first night because nothing of value would come in accepting a new role who only gives day messages, as we would have nothing to report, and we'd be revealing ourselves quite early, giving those against the town a potential hint at our identities.
Plus, why would I have claimed Tracker then and there? :p
I probably would've been offed instantly during the night because I'm was an investigative PR at the time, and killing off any town sided PR is good for the Mafia. Luckily I don't quite have to bother with that now that my ability is just sending the day messages.
Excuse me, I mean to say Watcher.
Jeeze I hate both of those roles. They have such similar names and almost the same abilities just swapped.
Watcher sees if someone visited X person, Tracker sees if you visited Y person.
Plus Tracker just rolls off the tongue so much better...
I still remembering getting confused by that in Bloody Masq.
*shakes fist* darn you names!
 

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but i thought ur lil squad had a cop just get them to investigate me (inb4 'investigative immunity!!!!!!!!')
But that means waiting another couple of nights for the investigation then for them to tell the rest of the group so I can put it in a Day message. :p
And hey, I don't see whats the problem here Mr. Moogles. There's no way you'd be lynched since there's nothing to go off of.
...Unless you're hiding something!
Its true, isn't it Mr. Moogles!
 

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Just out of curiosity, jk, why did you and your group decide to out your results only because the the other group revealed themselves?

Also I'm still totally unconvinced of this whole 'we have a group of people who all know each other to be town and are investigative roles'.

Here's what I think happened:

jk has a role where he can post day messages and he's some sort of evil security guard

He planned to make this whole 'security' group thing to make it seem like it was some kind of inn, having the idea that all of them would be investigative roles - he's one of the last mafia members so has to pull some big trick, and what better way for nobody to say "hey that's a lie" than claiming everyone in there to be PRs? "PRs shouldn't claim, that's not good for town!" would be his reasoning for why nobody can prove him wrong, and the actual PRs aren't going to want to out and prove him wrong either, and if they do, yay we've got a PR outed.

In the morning though, mars dies and was a security-related role and was a vigilante, so jk quickly adapts his story to say the vigilante was also there (which is even more OP that before), and he couldn't change the fact that the group was a 'security' themes group because he'd suggested as much in the post he made.

Also notice how jk didn't give a name for his role even though it is super easy to just check in pm's to see it (and how could you forget it anyway, it's your role!!!! He just didn't want to risk thinking of one!!), and even named his 'group' himself - surely the group would have been given a name by our host. He also contradicts himself, saying the group are all investigative, and then in the next paragraph explaining mars was their vig. Almost like he had this essay pre-prepared and edited in the mars bit after...!!!

I know I know I'm being extremely closed minded and tunnel visioned and if I'm wrong I'm gonna be so embarrassed but I SWEAR THIS MAN IS EVIL I JUST AHHHHHHHHHHHH
Our group is, what I'm gonna call, the Security Council.
All of us are some shape or form, some kind of investigative power role; all town sided of course.
In total, we are a group of 4... now 3, people, who have an inn we can discuss with each other each night on how to conduct our business.

And yes, I said 3 now; Mars was our groups ability to kill with him being the Vigilante.
Mars went after both Samlen and Webpaige during his night attacks.
We also include the town's cop, a watcher, and a tracker, all of whoms investigations during Night 1 were revealed in our day message, written up by me.

Now I said there were 4 power roles, yet I claim otherwise, so let me explain.
Basically as a group, we can decide to have one of us give up a power and gain the ability to write a message that would show up at the start of the next day. I decided it would be a good way to reveal our group findings anonymously, although I also became the spokesperson to help the town as going off of nothing without explanation could lead to some unfortunate confusion, and let's me be more open about my thoughts and opinions as I do not need to hide unlike my compatriots.

That being said, I was originally The Watcher (or whatever name Ltin gave to it; I'm a Security guard who watches people blah blah you get the gist). I used my ability Night 1, which led me to find out about Ooglie being visited, which I reported to the group.
I subsequently gave up my ability to become the role I will now be referring to as the Security Announcer, who's ability I have already stated.
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Just out of curiosity, jk, why did you and your group decide to out your results only because the the other group revealed themselves?
We didn't.
I mean, Ill say it again, we already planned to reveal ourselves, that should be seen when I claimed "I would reveal myself the next day," and I did. :p I revealed myself as the spokesperson of the group as the Security Announcer.
We were still discussing things when that Board of Directors post was made. I have no idea who that is but since we were also revealing ourselves in a message I decided to include them in the post because... we were basically doing the same thing and that made sense.
jk has a role where he can post day messages and he's some sort of evil security guard
I'm not evil. :p
He planned to make this whole 'security' group thing to make it seem like it was some kind of inn, having the idea that all of them would be investigative roles - he's one of the last mafia members so has to pull some big trick, and what better way for nobody to say "hey that's a lie" than claiming everyone in there to be PRs? "PRs shouldn't claim, that's not good for town!" would be his reasoning for why nobody can prove him wrong, and the actual PRs aren't going to want to out and prove him wrong either, and if they do, yay we've got a PR outed.
I don't think I ever said PR's shouldn't claim, unless you're referring to when I made the "if the tracker's target visited someone who died last night please reveal yourself, otherwise stay quiet" which I said the other day.... I still don't think that means PR's shouldn't claim, especially since I was basically talking to my own inn-mate without saying their name since we wanted everyone in the group to remain anonymous for now except me.
And PR's should want to out me if they know I'm wrong... because then you'd be killing me off because at that point I would basically be confirmed as anti-town, especially as you said, if I was one of the, if not the last Mafia member.
In the morning though, mars dies and was a security-related role and was a vigilante, so jk quickly adapts his story to say the vigilante was also there (which is even more OP that before), and he couldn't change the fact that the group was a 'security' themes group because he'd suggested as much in the post he made.
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He also contradicts himself, saying the group are all investigative, and then in the next paragraph explaining mars was their vig. Almost like he had this essay pre-prepared and edited in the mars bit after...!!!
I mean... we are all investigative now that Mars is dead. :p
Well, I guess I'm technically not an investigative role anymore since I swapped it out for my new role but eh, my statement still rings true.
And I can't really... "adapt" it as you said... I mean the message that came out was labled as a "Security Bulletin"(which was not apart of what I wrote, that's just what the message is called by the host) and then Mars showed up as a "Loose cannon Security Guard" and since we are all security guards in the group...
I don't quite understand what you're getting at. >.<
Also notice how jk didn't give a name for his role even though it is super easy to just check in pm's to see it (and how could you forget it anyway, it's your role!!!! He just didn't want to risk thinking of one!!), and even named his 'group' himself - surely the group would have been given a name by our host.
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Almost like he had this essay pre-prepared and edited in the mars bit after...!!!
I mean... my role doesn't have a name?
My role in my PM is just "security guard" with an explanation of my ability. I'm just using regular Mafia-terms for roles to simplify things, like cop, tracker, watcher, etc.
Security Announcer was the name I made up since my new role doesnt have a name... it's just an ability.
My "name" is just Security Guard. There aren't really "role names" like other games as far as I can tell unless it's a special role.
Plus my old role really doesn't matter anymore since I cant use it, so why should I care what it used to be (and again, they don't have names, just their role explanation)

...And the message sorta was pre-prepared? I hinted that I was going to reveal myself the next day, I knew what I was going to say. I've said this before. :p
 

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VOTECOUNT Intrigue! Mystery! A copious amount of sediment shaped fish! (also activity. That is nice too.)
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Ooglie101 - 1 (Jkangaroo)
Jkangaroo - 1 (Infected_alien8_)
With 10 players it takes 6 to lynch and 5 to no lynch.
 

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I don't think I ever said PR's shouldn't claim, unless you're referring to when I made the "if the tracker's target visited someone who died last night please reveal yourself, otherwise stay quiet" which I said the other day.... I still don't think that means PR's shouldn't claim, especially since I was basically talking to my own inn-mate without saying their name since we wanted everyone in the group to remain anonymous for now except me.
And PR's should want to out me if they know I'm wrong... because then you'd be killing me off because at that point I would basically be confirmed as anti-town, especially as you said, if I was one of the, if not the last Mafia member.
Actually I didn't think about that

OK SO MAYBE THE GROUP DOES EXIST BUT YOU AREN'T ALL TOWN!

or maybe i'm just dumb and you're town but YOU'RE GIVING ME SO BAD VIBES I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK YOU'RE NOT
 

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Also can I just ask, Notty, a while ago when you voted me right after I claimed and then made that post where you hinted at it being a joke and then said it was serious, what were your intentions behind all of that?

You just seemed super eager to lynch me before reading my whole post, and still do seem super eager to lynch me, and I know I'm not exactly pro town but I've been meaning to ask, what was going on behind the scenes there?
 

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Also can I just ask, Notty, a while ago when you voted me right after I claimed and then made that post where you hinted at it being a joke and then said it was serious, what were your intentions behind all of that?

You just seemed super eager to lynch me before reading my whole post, and still do seem super eager to lynch me, and I know I'm not exactly pro town but I've been meaning to ask, what was going on behind the scenes there?
I can't remember which exact post you're talking about, but I'm voting you since I find it very hard to believe the investor and some random roleblocker were in a team together. I also find it even harder to believe you 'chose' not to use the action you claim you have on night 1. Why would anyone not use their action night 1? It's like a doctor that doesn't save anyone night 1 in the fear of saving a Mafia(Lol remember when that happened guys? I wonder who did that), it just makes no sense not to use your ability night one unless you're a town Vig type of role.
 

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Woops I made it seem like I think you're a town Vig type of role. What I meant was that as far as I know only a town Vig type of role would consider not using their action night one. It makes no sense for a 'roleblocker' as you claim to be to not use it night 1, especially with your supposted win condition.
 

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I can't remember which exact post you're talking about, but I'm voting you since I find it very hard to believe the investor and some random roleblocker were in a team together. I also find it even harder to believe you 'chose' not to use the action you claim you have on night 1. Why would anyone not use their action night 1? It's like a doctor that doesn't save anyone night 1 in the fear of saving a Mafia(Lol remember when that happened guys? I wonder who did that), it just makes no sense not to use your ability night one unless you're a town Vig type of role.
Well basically Oak said something along the lines of "we don't have any idea who to block and it's just a risk of you being caught by a watcher for very little point in it because it's only day 1", and my win condition also requires that I'm alive so I don't want to be caught like that. I didn't use my action last night either because I thought "it'd be typical if the game DOES end and I visited some kind of granny role so I died anyway".

Also yeah I was also confused when I was told I was a role solely based on another role, the Investor, winning \o/

So what role do you think I am/why do you think I'd lie about it?

And the post I mean is on page 5:
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ARE YOU SAYING YOUR VOTE WAS A JOKE? I'M CONFUSED
Sorry Inf but I'm unsure what to think of your post. On one side the story sounds pretty believable(the role part, the JK part is purely how you interpret his posts as suspicious), on the other it sounds like something perfectly set up to get JK lynched and get away with if if he turns up innocent. I think you might be a third party targeting role, in the sense that you have to either get a certain person/role lynched or simply outlive them.
 

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But yeah incase it's unclear both times I was laughing at you for taking "jokes as votes".

I don't think Oak would of said anything about watchers because that's just incredibly specific and generally bad? You don't use your action to prevent being seen by a role that you're not even sure of is in the game, while instead you could of used your action to possibly stop a kill going to you from happening. Which is much more realistic because all Mafia games have killing roles, and since your win condition requires you to be alvie why wouldn't you try to possibly save yourself. I just don't believe your story I think you're either Mafia, or a different Third Party than you claim to be.
 

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But yeah incase it's unclear both times I was laughing at you for taking "jokes as votes".

I don't think Oak would of said anything about watchers because that's just incredibly specific and generally bad? You don't use your action to prevent being seen by a role that you're not even sure of is in the game, while instead you could of used your action to possibly stop a kill going to you from happening. Which is much more realistic because all Mafia games have killing roles, and since your win condition requires you to be alvie why wouldn't you try to possibly save yourself. I just don't believe your story I think you're either Mafia, or a different Third Party than you claim to be.
Well I wish I could quote oak but I can't so I don't know how else to defend myself lol. I can see why it doesn't make sense to do what we did but oh well, we did it \o/

To be honest it might be a good idea to lynch me off today anyway since I'm probably never going to be taken seriously by anyone because I'm too suspicious and nobody knows what I'm doing because I'm not even town aligned. At least when I die and my role is revealed people can hopefully understand I was being truthful about everything, including my suspicions on certain people, and move forward on those I guess.
 
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