SCP - Secure, Contain, Mafia [GAME OVER]

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Alpha102 said:
[BCOLOR=#ffffff]Vote Count: Tapataaaaalk[/BCOLOR]

[BCOLOR=#ffffff]Iggy234 - 2 - (GmK, Old_Man_Oak_63) [9 more][/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=#ffffff]Samlen- 2 - (The Road To Ruin, Hunter27a1) [8 more][/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=#ffffff]Jolteon42 - 1 - (Nottykitten) [9 more][/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=#ffffff]The road to ruin - 1 - (myusername22) [9 more][/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=#ffffff]Ltin -3 - (chicken23456789, raxo2222, iggy234) [7 more][/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=#ffffff]Erik5456 - 1 - (77_is_the_best) [9 more][/BCOLOR]

[BCOLOR=#ffffff]With 19 alive it'll take 10 for a lynch and 9 to no-lynch![/BCOLOR]
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GmK said:
Allright, stop the press, don't vote to lynch samlen

I hoped I didn't have to do this, but now that it's pretty clear what's happening I have no other choice. Let me tell you the story of

Hunter27a1 and his plot to win very sneakily

​
[BCOLOR=#99cc00]Disclaimer at the start[/BCOLOR]: In this story, neither Hunter nor Samlen are a threat to the town - except for the fact they win the game if their win condition is met, but they don't work against us, it's actually awesome to have even more "confirmed" non-mafia claims, as we can narrow down even further on who the scum is.

Content:


1. The claim
2. The behavior in game and it's reason
3. The win condition
4. The role action speculation


1. The claim

​
Whilst Hunters claim sounds lovely (and huge props for devising it, it is a fantastic fake claim), it is also complete bullcrap if you spend just a moment looking at it. The one fact you trip over is the "Level Clearance" thing. Nowhere in this game was there ever any indication of security levels. Hunter claims to need a keycard to get another security clearance level. But all the keycards do, is let you join one of the three rooms we have.



-> The keycard only lets the user enter a room
-> Nothing about so called security clearances
-> The person needs to know the room numbers, which once again goes against Hunter simply needing a keycard to get his clearance

There's more to the claim (like SCP 159, waaaaaat?) but let's move to the next point, I'll get back to the claim in a bit.




2. The behavior in game and it's reason

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Everybody has noticed the way Hunter has been playing this game, much to the irritation of some. Now, looking at how mafia works, there's usually only very few reasons someone would play exactly like this. The two most likely are:

- A very good playing fool like role that wants to be lynched

but since fools suck ass in closed setups, the next is more likely

- A role that wants to be investigated / visited / looked at closer by other players. By making yourself just enough suspicious to seem scummy, you will have PRs visiting you at night / watching you / tracking you / etc.

I believe with a high degree of certainty, that Hunter's behavior is due to having some kind of action that requires him to be interacted with at night.

What that action could be I'll get to in part 4, since that's the one thing I have to assume more than the others.



3. The Win condition

​
Now it gets interesting. Please everyone look back at the claim, and one of the posts before it:



So, taking my approach of debunking the claim, Hunter's claim goes like this:

Blah Blah Blah Air Air Filler Filler Blah
Explicit Knowledge of the Rogue MTF Unit

All before in his claim doesn't even matter, the extremely important puzzle piece is the fact he explicitely knows the name one of specific role. All other things he uses to support his claim ("I knew so many things ahead of the time and was always right") were extremely educated guesses, playing into his very well built fake claim ("I guessed there was a Vig, of course my documents only stated there was a Vig, everything else was redacted").

Don't be blended by the rest, the one important thing to take away from Hunters claim is the fact that everything leads up to the Rogue MTF Unit, which he had to find a reason for knowing the exact role. Also, please remember how he stated that the person that is the Rogue MTF Unit needs to claim immediately "for the benefit of us all".

Some people might already guess where this is going, but bear with me.

Next puzzle piece: Samlen claims to be the Rogue MTF Unit, and surprise surprise, Samlen also knows exactly one role by exact name: SCP 096 - with the difference of also stating/admitting that he needs to kill that role in order to fulfill his win condition.

Does this seem familiar to anyone? If you have played mafia before, it should click latest now:

We have a pair of third party roles, tasked with getting the other killed, in order to win.

A good example of how this is very likely, if you need more instances, is this:



So, all the time before, Hunter absolutely attacks road for a potentially bogus TP claim (oh the irony!) and suddenly when Road votes to lynch Samlen, Hunter forgets all that and immediately jumps on the wagon to lynch Samlen. This for me sealed the deal of being sure that Hunter requires Samlen dead to win.

I believe Hunter is SCP 096, has a win condition of having Rogue MTF dead (Samlen), and has one more night ability that requires people interacting somehow.

All he has done supports this, every piece of the puzzle fits, and the fact of jumping behind road suddenly to vote samlen seals the deal.

Please also remember this:



When we talked about how a TP win shouldn't be a reason to lynch a TP, he was very against that and continued to push. Well of course he would be against it, since he wants to win by himself. (oh, the irony)




4. The role action speculation
​
The last point I wanted to add, is a speculation about what Hunters role actually does.



Hunter asks Ooglie for the keycard. Next morning Ooglie turns up dead. So my one theory is, that Hunter kills whoever gives him an item or visits him, since it is likely Ooglie did attempt to give Hunter the keycard.

The one thing that does not fit properly into this theory is, that dessern investigated Hunter the same night, and that 77 claims to have blocked hunter that night.

So: Ooglie died due to something else, Dessern didn't die since Hunter was blocked, or was protected by a doctor (remember: The doc if he exists/existed would always try to protect a cop claim!) or The blocking only blocked the first interaction and Ooglie was the second, or.

We will probably never find out until the game ends and we see all actions, so I cannot be sure if my theory of the night action is correct. The good thing is: It doesn't matter for the game right now.


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tl;dr:


1. IF WE LYNCH EITHER SAMLEN OR HUNTER THE OTHER ONE WILL WIN THE GAME.
2. We have two "confirmed" TP roles that do not run the risk of going against town, and who won't be touched by scum since scum would lose the game. This gives us great power of keeping scum under some form of control.


Thank you for reading.

I'll stick with my vote for iggy.
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The only thing is I dont understand why I didnt die night 2 as well as Dessern, but only Ooglie did. I dont think my roleblock would have done anything to Hunter's ability or it would have saved both Dess and Ooglie.
 
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Wow, looks like you're Sherlock Holmes here, well done! I'd never have seen that. It does make so much sense though.

So let me just update my table here:
[xtable=skin1]
{tbody}
{tr}
{td}Name{/td}
{td}Claim{/td}
{td}Extra information{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Notty{/td}
{td}Itemgiver{/td}
{td}Investigated by Myuser(guilty){/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Old_Man_Oak_63{/td}
{td}Itemgiver and O5{/td}
{td}Claims to have received a knife. No-vote on Lee. Yes on Std{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Iggy234{/td}
{td}O5{/td}
{td}No on Lee. No on Std{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Jivvi{/td}
{td}O5 and Mayor{/td}
{td}
Can Double vote during the day(more than once?)
Received Garden Shears and Med Kit.
Yes on Lee. Yes on Std{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Myusername22{/td}
{td}Cop{/td}
{td}Not a normal cop. Paranoid/insane/something else{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Faliara{/td}
{td}"Security Chief"{/td}
{td}During day gets update about "important things that have been discussed that night"{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}GmK{/td}
{td}Room visitor{/td}
{td}When visiting Tim's room, the room was unable to talk shortly after.{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}77_is_the_best{/td}
{td}Roleblocker{/td}
{td}Can roleblock not one, but two people during the night. (Both N3 targets died){/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Raxo2222{/td}
{td}Vanilla Towny{/td}
{td} {/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Timdood3{/td}
{td}Vanilla Towny{/td}
{td}Has a Blue item.{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Cooliorules{/td}
{td}Vanilla Towny{/td}
{td} {/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Erik5456{/td}
{td}-{/td}
{td} {/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Hunter27a1{/td}
{td}"Senior Researcher"{/td}
{td}Investigated by Dessern(innocent, Desserns true role unknown). Used item to block all night actions on him N2. Has info on some roles in the setup. Suspected of being SCP-096, with the goal to kill Samlem, Third Party.{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Chicken23456789{/td}
{td}Bodyguard{/td}
{td} {/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Ltin{/td}
{td}Survivor{/td}
{td} {/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Jolteon42{/td}
{td}Loyal Vigilante{/td}
{td}Replaced Brownlee. No target N1, random N2(Lee_Scar), Std N3.{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}The road to ruin{/td}
{td}Mortician{/td}
{td}Basicly a Survivor, but wins not at the end of the game but when a certain amount of people have died. He claims to achieve this goal faster when it is a Mafia that died.{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Samlem{/td}
{td}"Rogue MTF Unit"{/td}
{td}Claims to have killed Fruit. He has to kill SCP-096 to win.{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Lee_Scar{/td}
{td}-{/td}
{td}O5 had a vote to kill him. #inactive{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]
If we believe the thing about Hunter being SCP-096, because this was totally not a setup by GmK who is secretly the real SCP-096, then I guess the right course of action for today is the following in my eyes:

We lynch one of the O5's, probabily Iggy -> Jolteon should suggest Ltin's name to the council -> council should vote yes -> 77 roleblocks Ltin and Road/Lee -> Fiesta lowers the deadline to 96 hours instead of a full week.

So because of that, I'm gonna vote Iggy. But first:
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Vote Iggy
 
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SCP - Secure, Contain, Mafia [DAY 3]
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Nice try spooky skeleton
 
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The road to ruin said:
Okay so I'm a little confused, can someone explain to my what we're voting Iggy for?
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This night jolteon suggested Std's name to the O5. Two of the O5 voted yes, one voted no.

Yet all of the O5's claim they voted yes. Which means one of them is lying. Working theory is that Std was Mafia and whoever voted No is Mafia with him. Otherwise I don't see why any of the O5's would lie. So I'm voting Iggy since I think Iggy is the one thats lying. Either Iggy or Jivvi in my eyes. But I just believe Jivvi more atm.
 
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GmK said:
Allright, stop the press, don't vote to lynch samlen

I hoped I didn't have to do this, but now that it's pretty clear what's happening I have no other choice. Let me tell you the story of

Hunter27a1 and his plot to win very sneakily

​
[BCOLOR=#99cc00]Disclaimer at the start[/BCOLOR]: In this story, neither Hunter nor Samlen are a threat to the town - except for the fact they win the game if their win condition is met, but they don't work against us, it's actually awesome to have even more "confirmed" non-mafia claims, as we can narrow down even further on who the scum is.

Content:


1. The claim
2. The behavior in game and it's reason
3. The win condition
4. The role action speculation


1. The claim

​
Whilst Hunters claim sounds lovely (and huge props for devising it, it is a fantastic fake claim), it is also complete bullcrap if you spend just a moment looking at it. The one fact you trip over is the "Level Clearance" thing. Nowhere in this game was there ever any indication of security levels. Hunter claims to need a keycard to get another security clearance level. But all the keycards do, is let you join one of the three rooms we have.



-> The keycard only lets the user enter a room
-> Nothing about so called security clearances
-> The person needs to know the room numbers, which once again goes against Hunter simply needing a keycard to get his clearance

There's more to the claim (like SCP 159, waaaaaat?) but let's move to the next point, I'll get back to the claim in a bit.




2. The behavior in game and it's reason

​
Everybody has noticed the way Hunter has been playing this game, much to the irritation of some. Now, looking at how mafia works, there's usually only very few reasons someone would play exactly like this. The two most likely are:

- A very good playing fool like role that wants to be lynched

but since fools suck ass in closed setups, the next is more likely

- A role that wants to be investigated / visited / looked at closer by other players. By making yourself just enough suspicious to seem scummy, you will have PRs visiting you at night / watching you / tracking you / etc.

I believe with a high degree of certainty, that Hunter's behavior is due to having some kind of action that requires him to be interacted with at night.

What that action could be I'll get to in part 4, since that's the one thing I have to assume more than the others.



3. The Win condition

​
Now it gets interesting. Please everyone look back at the claim, and one of the posts before it:



So, taking my approach of debunking the claim, Hunter's claim goes like this:

Blah Blah Blah Air Air Filler Filler Blah
Explicit Knowledge of the Rogue MTF Unit

All before in his claim doesn't even matter, the extremely important puzzle piece is the fact he explicitely knows the name one of specific role. All other things he uses to support his claim ("I knew so many things ahead of the time and was always right") were extremely educated guesses, playing into his very well built fake claim ("I guessed there was a Vig, of course my documents only stated there was a Vig, everything else was redacted").

Don't be blended by the rest, the one important thing to take away from Hunters claim is the fact that everything leads up to the Rogue MTF Unit, which he had to find a reason for knowing the exact role. Also, please remember how he stated that the person that is the Rogue MTF Unit needs to claim immediately "for the benefit of us all".

Some people might already guess where this is going, but bear with me.

Next puzzle piece: Samlen claims to be the Rogue MTF Unit, and surprise surprise, Samlen also knows exactly one role by exact name: SCP 096 - with the difference of also stating/admitting that he needs to kill that role in order to fulfill his win condition.

Does this seem familiar to anyone? If you have played mafia before, it should click latest now:

We have a pair of third party roles, tasked with getting the other killed, in order to win.

A good example of how this is very likely, if you need more instances, is this:



So, all the time before, Hunter absolutely attacks road for a potentially bogus TP claim (oh the irony!) and suddenly when Road votes to lynch Samlen, Hunter forgets all that and immediately jumps on the wagon to lynch Samlen. This for me sealed the deal of being sure that Hunter requires Samlen dead to win.

I believe Hunter is SCP 096, has a win condition of having Rogue MTF dead (Samlen), and has one more night ability that requires people interacting somehow.

All he has done supports this, every piece of the puzzle fits, and the fact of jumping behind road suddenly to vote samlen seals the deal.

Please also remember this:



When we talked about how a TP win shouldn't be a reason to lynch a TP, he was very against that and continued to push. Well of course he would be against it, since he wants to win by himself. (oh, the irony)




4. The role action speculation
​
The last point I wanted to add, is a speculation about what Hunters role actually does.



Hunter asks Ooglie for the keycard. Next morning Ooglie turns up dead. So my one theory is, that Hunter kills whoever gives him an item or visits him, since it is likely Ooglie did attempt to give Hunter the keycard.

The one thing that does not fit properly into this theory is, that dessern investigated Hunter the same night, and that 77 claims to have blocked hunter that night.

So: Ooglie died due to something else, Dessern didn't die since Hunter was blocked, or was protected by a doctor (remember: The doc if he exists/existed would always try to protect a cop claim!) or The blocking only blocked the first interaction and Ooglie was the second, or.

We will probably never find out until the game ends and we see all actions, so I cannot be sure if my theory of the night action is correct. The good thing is: It doesn't matter for the game right now.


---


tl;dr:


1. IF WE LYNCH EITHER SAMLEN OR HUNTER THE OTHER ONE WILL WIN THE GAME.
2. We have two "confirmed" TP roles that do not run the risk of going against town, and who won't be touched by scum since scum would lose the game. This gives us great power of keeping scum under some form of control.


Thank you for reading.

I'll stick with my vote for iggy.
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Where's the awesome rating, sir
 
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