Supernatural Hotel [Finished]
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At the moment I think the possible fake claim in the confirmed innos is a distraction the fact is that while it is true we know there is a fake claim in a group of 5 I feel the odds are still better among the larger group excluding those sides. Since the group of 5 isn't going anywhere (unless someone admits to false claiming or mmarz changes his story) those 5 will still be there. On top of that we still know much less on those people, I suggest we ignore those 5 for now and pick among the remaining people to come back to the 5 later. For now let's return to the north issue shall we?
No digi is saying you are the least suspicious and not very much worth considering as scum
Imo I personally feel that lynching Mmarz11 would bring us better results. If we lynch Mmarz11 and he turns out to be scum, we have better clues as to who are the remaining scums. If he turns out to be a regular guest, we can then trust his words and pinpoint the scum out of the four. I do not think it's a good idea to focus on the remaining people. Although Ansoro and notty are my FOS, lynching Mmarz11 would bring about better results.
cooliorules
That Awkward Noodle
Ah, okay. Sorry, I'm really tired and not understanding -most- stuff rght now. I was hoping that's what she meant because it's the truth.
Anyway, what a coincidental time for Mmarz to out? While we're in a heated debate about the ansoro/notty stuff. Just something to get us AWAY from that, and look at that. He's done it successfully.
I'll read up a bit better when I get home and post a bit more, including everything I'm thinking.
Ansoro2112
Hottie
@Mmarz11, first of all sorry for keep calling you Mmraz. I get confused with that singer.
Anyways... Grim, I don't get how lynching Mmarz is going to bring us better results. If he's Mafia/Third Party then yay for that. But if not, like you said, we'll have to pinpoint the scum out of the four. Is like picking one by one until we find the guilty one. That's a waste of time. Time us town don't have.
This is what I think about all this Mmarz thing. And let me be clear that that's ME. I've said I don't trust anyone in this game but I actually kind of believe in Mmarz right now. And to be honest, if I were to be a regular guest I would've probably done the same thing as Mmarz did. I think that was a very clever move from his part. People might not see it that way but I do. Because thanks to him, from all the 20 players we needed to look for scum he has done us the favor to decrease that number to 5. Where now we know for sure there's a scum there.
"But what are you saying Ansoro? You don't even know id Mmarz is telling the truth!". Yeah yeah. I know I can't prove that. Mmarz can't either. Myusername is saying he's probably just steering things up blah blah blah.
What I think is that if he were to be Scum he wouldn't be doing all of this. Scum are always careful on their moves. And what Mmarz did was a risky but smart move. And right now I'm buying it.
I don't really know what to do right now with those 5. There's not really much to do. They can all argue all day in saying they're regular guest. That's just not going to get us anywhere.
I really don't understand why you don't get my point after explaining so many times. There is no possible way we can tell that Mmarz is scummy or not, this is a game of deceit, not a game of trust. I will not quite simply foolishly believe what a person says, especially in the middle of two heated debates, diverting attention off those debates and to the remaining four.ansoro2112 said:
What Mmarz is saying, in my opinion, is an attention diverter. He brings up a point that will cause a lot of controversy, then goes on, without logical reasoning, accuses Ooglie of being a possible scum by guessing and then diverts attention off to the four. What made his words so doubtful is the timing he chose to say it. It's like "hi guys since you are all fighting let me tell you something. Amg guess what???? Im actually a guest lol i think ooglie is the guilty one everyone focus on the four esp ooglie!!!!11"
And why do I think lynching Mmarz is a better idea?
As I already stated, there is no absolute way we can have a more efficient manner of finding out scum because we have no idea whether Mmarz can be trusted or not. Like you stated, we lynch Mmarz, boom scum, then yay. If we lynch him and he isn't, at least NOW we know he CAN be trusted and we know that 1 out of the remaining 4 are scum, as compared to lynching someone else/no-lynching and then having no clue whether 1 of the 5 are scum.
This is about calculating the best possible outcome and most efficient, time-saving method of finding out possible scum. Sacrifices have to be made. And I feel that sacrificing one or two regular guests as compared to a possible town PR is the minimum amount of loss we can suffer and have a better chance of narrowing down our scope. This is why I am strongly for lynching Mmarz to find out the truth behind those words. As the same time since Mmarz claims to be a Regular Guest, this is why can can minimise our loss and narrow down our list of suspects. He turns out to be Scum, then I can then tell who possible scums are. He isn't, then great as well, we can tell who possible scums are from the four singled out.
I am a very stubborn person. I need a valid point that will work out better than mine to convince myself that I should not lynch Mmarz. So far you have not brought up a better method, and I see no reason why I should not stop pushing for Mmarz's lynch.
As I have already stated, Mafia is a game of deceit, not a game of trust. To so rashly trust a person's words with no concrete evidence would be skipping about happily on a land buried with landmines.ansoro2112 said:
"But what Mmarz did was a risky but smart move! Scum are always careful on their moves!" Not all scum are. Being scum means making gambles. Furthermore, with reverse psychology, I refuse to trust anything one says that sounds risky, not to mention refutable. Just because he/she has made a risky move doesn't mean I'm going to buy it. There are certain conditions where making a risky move could make you trusted as innocent. However this is not one of them.
Letting them sort things out themselves is a bigger waste of time. If you trust what Mmarz said, shouldn't your first priority be to find out who the scum is amongst the 4? This is a really poor excuse.ansoro2112 said:
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
Really.... really ;-;.
It's not a clever move, not at all. The town relied on that information and he screwed it up by lying. We basicly based all of our discussion on the results. Thanks to him, I almost got lynched[if he spoke the truth I would have suggested other ideas to do instead of the things I was being lynched for now], we believed we had 4 proven people while we clearly don't, and thus we almost lynched in the PR's. And the No Lynch idea is terrible if there aren't 4 proven people aewhfjhihewjfeh. While I want to rage more, I'll just go on then.
The original idea I proposed was that if we had 5 claims, we would lynch the most suspicious. And I don't really trust Mmarz at all. Because lying definately hurts the towns chances. And I still dont really buy the "oops I did it to have the 1/11 chance I would have died and mafia would be like O__0 he isn't a PR".
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Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
Ok, so here are my thoughts.
Mmarz came out as a regular Guest. Let's see what his lying (either in the beginning or when coming out, doesn't matter) means for the town.
We had 4 confirmed guests. Now we don't. We had 15 people from whom we had to choose someone to lynch. Now we have 19. We had a 53% chance to lynch a scum role. Now we have a 42% chance. If we were to assume that we are going to lynch someone from the 5 that mmarz cast suspicion on, the chances drop to 20%.
Look at it at whatever point you want, he did us no favours. What he did was create loads of confusion, directed us far away from the whole notty and anso discussion, took away our confirmed innocents while still leaving the mafia and the Siren with the list of all the PRs (well, almost all of them now).
If he's a Guest, then I have no idea what's going on in his head. If he's mafia, he's doing a good job at diverting the suspicion from notty and anso, who are in my eyes also mafia. What I think is that Mmarz is the Terrorist, so in order to minimize our casualties and at the same time weed out more liars, in case he turns up as Guest, I'd let one of the claimed Guests vote for him last. Because I do have a feeling like he's getting lynched, either today or tomorrow, doesn't matter.
Currently I have 3 very strong FoSes: notty, anso and mmarz. I don't care which one of them gets lynched today, as long as it's one of them, because I'm completely confident by now that either they're all mafia, or at least two of them are and I just can't understand what might be going on in the third's head in that case.
So as I said, I don't care which one of those three gets lynched, unless, of course, someone else wants to display how their brain works in mysterious ways, which would screw us around even more. I'm going to keep my vote on notty for now, simply because he has the most votes against him at this point. If someone else of the three gets more votes, I'll change my vote to that.
Mmarz came out as a regular Guest. Let's see what his lying (either in the beginning or when coming out, doesn't matter) means for the town.
We had 4 confirmed guests. Now we don't. We had 15 people from whom we had to choose someone to lynch. Now we have 19. We had a 53% chance to lynch a scum role. Now we have a 42% chance. If we were to assume that we are going to lynch someone from the 5 that mmarz cast suspicion on, the chances drop to 20%.
Look at it at whatever point you want, he did us no favours. What he did was create loads of confusion, directed us far away from the whole notty and anso discussion, took away our confirmed innocents while still leaving the mafia and the Siren with the list of all the PRs (well, almost all of them now).
If he's a Guest, then I have no idea what's going on in his head. If he's mafia, he's doing a good job at diverting the suspicion from notty and anso, who are in my eyes also mafia. What I think is that Mmarz is the Terrorist, so in order to minimize our casualties and at the same time weed out more liars, in case he turns up as Guest, I'd let one of the claimed Guests vote for him last. Because I do have a feeling like he's getting lynched, either today or tomorrow, doesn't matter.
Currently I have 3 very strong FoSes: notty, anso and mmarz. I don't care which one of them gets lynched today, as long as it's one of them, because I'm completely confident by now that either they're all mafia, or at least two of them are and I just can't understand what might be going on in the third's head in that case.
So as I said, I don't care which one of those three gets lynched, unless, of course, someone else wants to display how their brain works in mysterious ways, which would screw us around even more. I'm going to keep my vote on notty for now, simply because he has the most votes against him at this point. If someone else of the three gets more votes, I'll change my vote to that.
cooliorules
That Awkward Noodle
Okay so I've read through the thread.
Jeercrul, I agree with literally everything in your long post just up there (^).
The fact that he timed it in the very center of a whole discussion with notty and ansoro to (in my eyes) drive attention away from the both of them, it just seems... scummy.
vote Mmarz11
Jeercrul, I agree with literally everything in your long post just up there (^).
The fact that he timed it in the very center of a whole discussion with notty and ansoro to (in my eyes) drive attention away from the both of them, it just seems... scummy.
vote Mmarz11
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
And you'll be lynching the one PR out of the three. If you think all of us are mafia, why don't you vote Mmarz? He has no chance to be an important PR and I do. [And ansoro too, but I'm now suspicious of him too]
I find this post is very alarming, and I'm not quite sure what you are referring to here.
May I bring your attention back to this:
If you are a PR (assuming you are on the town's side), shouldn't your main priority be to benefit the town in some way? That also means trying your best to stay alive? Unless you know what Mmarz's role is, shouldn't you be wary of dying?Nottykitten said:
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
As I have 5 votes on me, it doesn't seem like I'm doing good enough to stay alive. And as I said, I'd rather die by the terrorist than being lynched. Because if I'm lynched the town wastes an entire day. And if Mmarz is the terrorist, then atleast we will still have 4 proven town's people. Which in my eyes are just as important as me.
GmK
International Man Of Cake
Ah damnit, %&§$"%%!$"!!
I'll stick with my vote for now, since it seemed a too fast way for Notty to get out of this (
), but will have to read all that in detail now.
(I am especially annoyed that instead of 4 confirmed innocent we are basically back to zero again)
I'll stick with my vote for now, since it seemed a too fast way for Notty to get out of this (
), but will have to read all that in detail now.(I am especially annoyed that instead of 4 confirmed innocent we are basically back to zero again)
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
I'm probably gonna go and vote either notty or anso the next day anyway, and if notty volunteers to be the last vote, sure, why not. If Mmarz is the Terrorist, we'll most likely have 2 scum taken care of and ifhe isn't... We can always get back to notty and anso later. Right now it doesn't really matter for me which one of the three it's gonna be, so it might as well be Mmarz. That way we'll at least know what to think of the other 4 inno claims.Ah damnit, %&§$"%%!$"!!
I'll stick with my vote for now, since it seemed a too fast way for Notty to get out of this (
(I am especially annoyed that instead of 4 confirmed innocent we are basically back to zero again)
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