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[Omni]

so you're asking for your mafia friends to explain why for you??? :eyes:

 

[Alisha]

—— Voting Recap ——
Deadline: Thursday September 27th, 10:00PM UTC
Spreadsheet
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Nottykitten - 7 (Dess, hipmeow, Infected_Alien8, Matty, Mooglie, Rune, Shadow_Hunter3) (Sacrifice in 3)
Infected_Alien8_ - 6(77thShad, Arelic, Duffie, HKCaper, Nottykitten, Omni) (Sacrifice in 4)
Roobarb Pie - 2 (TheWeakGuy48_, Unusual_Dood) (Sacrifice in 8)

 

[Mooglie]

hi its me
Nottykitten im slightly baffled are you abilities infinite prime and 1x ignite or 1x prime and 1x ignite since i swear both have been said
Omni can u just say if you have lucky (any tid kill person is either gonna leave you alone tonight since notty or target you and predict lucky anyway since its like the only option)

my concerns with letting notty live tonight is that, in the event of anything happening to matty overnight, there is no way to prove notty ignited omni last night as he would live with the lucky trait (there is 0 other way to explain his certainty to live) and from the signup thread 'System Message: Beginning of following night' to tell him if his lucky trait actually decreased in power, so by that time notty has 2 people primed (if omni isnt lying then he'll live or notty is lying and primed someone else last night in which 2 people will die (unless 1 of these 2 people also has lucky))

HOWEVER to the third party win conditions

a) Be alive when only two players or less remain in the game.
b) Nightkill [x] number of players.
c) Obtain [x] amount of powers.
d) Successfully deplete all powers in your possession.
e) Visit all other players currently alive.

in a world where matty does die im assuming notty is to be lynched tomorrow but if not (which is dumb, but the situation above) there are only 2 possible 2 primed targets ready to be killed when omnis lucky trait doesnt decrease in power and so notty will 100% be lynched the day after that but this will result in an incompletion of (b) since i highly doubt the 3p arsonist SK's wincon is to kill a measly 2 people

in a world where matty doesnt die tomorrow and confirms notty's 1 shot abilities
(a) is unlikely for 1x prime since i think a last man standing role would be given infinite killing abilities (but it is possible for infinite primes)
(b) is ruled out probably since 1 person can die (unless infinite primes)
(c) is highly unlikely since the powers have no relation to this wincon
(d) is impossible since in the situation where its 1x prime 1x ignite, it would take 2 nights to win and in the situation where its infinite primes and 1x ignite its physically impossible to deplete all the prime
(e) is possible if its infinite primes and 1x ignite however i don't think this sort of wincon would have these sort of powers? it is possible though, and if its 1x prime and 1x ignite you could only visit 1 target (and so the wincon would essentially be transformed to (a))

AND SO even though i heavily scumread notty, if matty's results can provide the information necessary to disprove the potential 3p wincons there is not really any reason to not take the opportunity + inf is 100% mafia so its not like theres a downside in lynching him today (also i didnt like him using my opinion of notty as a pawn in his arguments : ( close bracket looked weird next to the face so heres some extra words) AND SO WITH THAT

unvote
vote Infected_Alien8_

i hope this made sense to someone

 

[Nottykitten]

Nottykitten im slightly baffled are you abilities infinite prime and 1x ignite or 1x prime and 1x ignite since i swear both have been said

1x prime and 1x ignite. However 1x prime means I can douse 1 person and switch an infinite amount of times. Switching means I change the doused person so only 1 person is doused at any time aka maximum of 1 kill for me.

a) Be alive when only two players or less remain in the game.
b) Nightkill [x] number of players.
c) Obtain [x] amount of powers.
d) Successfully deplete all powers in your possession.
e) Visit all other players currently alive.

in a world where matty does die im assuming notty is to be lynched tomorrow but if not (which is dumb, but the situation above) there are only 2 possible 2 primed targets ready to be killed when omnis lucky trait doesnt decrease in power and so notty will 100% be lynched the day after that but this will result in an incompletion of (b) since i highly doubt the 3p arsonist SK's wincon is to kill a measly 2 people

This is even less of a concern because if I were the arsonist and primed another person tonight, Omni would still be 1 of them and only 1 person would die (if Omni were speaking the truth) if I'm not lynched tomorrow. Hopefully we live in a world where a watcher exists so that if Mafia do decide to murder Matty then we catch 1 of them red handed.

 

[Mooglie]

This is even less of a concern because if I were the arsonist and primed another person tonight, Omni would still be 1 of them and only 1 person would die (if Omni were speaking the truth) if I'm not lynched tomorrow.

so by that time notty has 2 people primed (if omni isnt lying then he'll live or notty is lying and primed someone else last night in which 2 people will die (unless 1 of these 2 people also has lucky))

god learn to read!

1x prime and 1x ignite. However 1x prime means I can douse 1 person and switch an infinite amount of times. Switching means I change the doused person so only 1 person is doused at any time aka maximum of 1 kill for me.

ok i thought thats what it was but i feel like some people were thinking infinite primes and 1x ignite

(e) is possible if its infinite primes and 1x ignite however i don't think this sort of wincon would have these sort of powers? it is possible though, and if its 1x prime and 1x ignite you could only visit 1 target (and so the wincon would essentially be transformed to (a))

i forgot to mention the switching thing for some reason but e is possible with 1x prime as well

but yeah with 1x prime i think wincons a, b, c and d are highly unlikely which leaves e and i dont think an arson exactly belongs with that wincon

 

[Unusual_Dood]

I think most that can be said has been said.

PinkUnicornz Comp Danni122112 Unusual_Dood TheWeakGuy48_ Roobarb Pie

Pick a side ty.

Both bad choices imo. However, as I town read Infected I am left with no choice..

unvote
Sacrifice Notty

 

[Alisha]

—— Voting Recap ——
Deadline: Thursday September 27th, 10:00PM UTC
Spreadsheet
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Infected_Alien8_ - 7(77thShad, Arelic, Duffie, HKCaper, Mooglie, Nottykitten, Omni) (Sacrifice in 3)
Nottykitten - 7 (Dess, hipmeow, Infected_Alien8, Matty, Rune, Shadow_Hunter3, Unusual_Dood) (Sacrifice in 3)
Roobarb Pie - 1 (TheWeakGuy48_) (Sacrifice in 9)

 

[Nottykitten]

Both bad choices imo. However, as I town read Infected I am left with no choice..

unvote
Sacrifice Notty

In a last effort to convince you to make sure you've considered everything; do you not find it strange how Infs power (Jail) is the combination of two existing town power roles.

Aqua (confirmed town, protecting someone via guard) and Shadow (99% sure town because of his claim, roleblocking). And Inf has Jailing which is both protecting and roleblocking in one power. Do you think it makes sense for town to have both these power roles individually, AND then a third town person who has both these powers combined? In my personal opinion I think it doesn't make much sense for the town to have a third person that combines already existing powers, but instead two-powers-in-one makes more sense for Mafia who consist of less members. If you think it's possible for the town to have that then thats ok, Comp also said it might be possible.

 

[TheWeakGuy48_]

In a last effort to convince you to make sure you've considered everything; do you not find it strange how Infs power (Jail) is the combination of two existing town power roles.

You do realise that in Unu's last game he was a jailkeeper, and there was also a doctor and a roleblocker in the game? This might not be the most convincing argument towards him

 

[Nottykitten]

You do realise that in Unu's last game he was a jailkeeper, and there was also a doctor and a roleblocker in the game? This might not be the most convincing argument towards him

What game was this?

 

[TheWeakGuy48_]

What game was this?

Foggy's game, I think it was called Chronicles of Mafia?

 

[TheWeakGuy48_]

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Infected_Alien8_ - 7(77thShad, Arelic, Duffie, HKCaper, Mooglie, Nottykitten, Omni) (Sacrifice in 3)
Nottykitten - 7 (Dess, hipmeow, Infected_Alien8, Matty, Rune, Shadow_Hunter3, Unusual_Dood) (Sacrifice in 3)
Roobarb Pie - 1 (TheWeakGuy48_) (Sacrifice in 9)

This may be the closest lynch I've ever seen

 

[Nottykitten]

Foggy's game, I think it was called Chronicles of Mafia?

Oh well I died early there I think and I hadn't really read everything but if thats the case then I guess it is possible. But even then I personally don't think it makes sense to put them in a game together as all 3 town.

 

[Unusual_Dood]

In a last effort to convince you to make sure you've considered everything; do you not find it strange how Infs power (Jail) is the combination of two existing town power roles.

Aqua (confirmed town, protecting someone via guard) and Shadow (99% sure town because of his claim, roleblocking). And Inf has Jailing which is both protecting and roleblocking in one power. Do you think it makes sense for town to have both these power roles individually, AND then a third town person who has both these powers combined? In my personal opinion I think it doesn't make much sense for the town to have a third person that combines already existing powers, but instead two-powers-in-one makes more sense for Mafia who consist of less members. If you think it's possible for the town to have that then thats ok, Comp also said it might be possible.

I don’t see what a mafia will gain with a jailer. Pretty much only the role block ability would be useful (as the possibility of saving a mafiabud would also role block them) and I doubt mafias would be given a 2 in 1 role when only half of it is useful. Like at the very best the saving ability could be used on a godfather or another role without (or who has a bad) a nightaction, but then again they waste their role block ability which I believe is more useful.

 

[Nottykitten]

I don’t see what a mafia will gain with a jailer. Pretty much only the role block ability would be useful (as the possibility of saving a mafiabud would also role block them) and I doubt mafias would be given a 2 in 1 role when only half of it is useful. Like at the very best the saving ability could be used on a godfather or another role without (or who has a bad) a nightaction, but then again they waste their role block ability which I believe is more useful.

I believe it's to give the Mafia the roleblock ability, but with the added bonus that they can also in dire situations save one of their Mafia buddies at the cost of stopping their abilities (and to also fit the theme of a law person having the jail ability). Like where I today proclaim I am murdering Omni, if Omni & Inf are both Mafia the Mafia could jail Omni to save his life at the cost of blocking whatever his ability is.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

hi its me
Nottykitten im slightly baffled are you abilities infinite prime and 1x ignite or 1x prime and 1x ignite since i swear both have been said
Omni can u just say if you have lucky (any tid kill person is either gonna leave you alone tonight since notty or target you and predict lucky anyway since its like the only option)

my concerns with letting notty live tonight is that, in the event of anything happening to matty overnight, there is no way to prove notty ignited omni last night as he would live with the lucky trait (there is 0 other way to explain his certainty to live) and from the signup thread 'System Message: Beginning of following night' to tell him if his lucky trait actually decreased in power, so by that time notty has 2 people primed (if omni isnt lying then he'll live or notty is lying and primed someone else last night in which 2 people will die (unless 1 of these 2 people also has lucky))

HOWEVER to the third party win conditions

a) Be alive when only two players or less remain in the game.
b) Nightkill [x] number of players.
c) Obtain [x] amount of powers.
d) Successfully deplete all powers in your possession.
e) Visit all other players currently alive.

in a world where matty does die im assuming notty is to be lynched tomorrow but if not (which is dumb, but the situation above) there are only 2 possible 2 primed targets ready to be killed when omnis lucky trait doesnt decrease in power and so notty will 100% be lynched the day after that but this will result in an incompletion of (b) since i highly doubt the 3p arsonist SK's wincon is to kill a measly 2 people

in a world where matty doesnt die tomorrow and confirms notty's 1 shot abilities
(a) is unlikely for 1x prime since i think a last man standing role would be given infinite killing abilities (but it is possible for infinite primes)
(b) is ruled out probably since 1 person can die (unless infinite primes)
(c) is highly unlikely since the powers have no relation to this wincon
(d) is impossible since in the situation where its 1x prime 1x ignite, it would take 2 nights to win and in the situation where its infinite primes and 1x ignite its physically impossible to deplete all the prime
(e) is possible if its infinite primes and 1x ignite however i don't think this sort of wincon would have these sort of powers? it is possible though, and if its 1x prime and 1x ignite you could only visit 1 target (and so the wincon would essentially be transformed to (a))

AND SO even though i heavily scumread notty, if matty's results can provide the information necessary to disprove the potential 3p wincons there is not really any reason to not take the opportunity + inf is 100% mafia so its not like theres a downside in lynching him today (also i didnt like him using my opinion of notty as a pawn in his arguments : ( close bracket looked weird next to the face so heres some extra words) AND SO WITH THAT

unvote
vote Infected_Alien8_

i hope this made sense to someone

I haven't read all of this or caught up yet but you seem to be relying on matty's results but matty is most likely going to be made a target to the mafia with that plan, so he'll die tonight whereas otherwise he'd have probably been left to live to give us some more information (since without him being relevant with notty he's not as big a target as some others), notty will therefore not be able to be proven lying one way or another, will probably douse TWG and probably will get to live on again under the 'I'll prove my worth by igniting a mafia' argument

 

[Infected_alien8_]

All three of you voted Aqua you guys sure are super reliable when it comes to knowing people. This is also ignoring that:

- 1 of you is Scum.

- The other one is convinced you're scum but wants to lynch me since they are scared I can't be lynched tomorrow Mooglie but Matty could inspect me tonight and even Omni saying I can be lynched tomorrow should be enough reason to think that if I'm not proven tomorrow then I can be lynched. Vote for the Mafia not for the possible third party, you know I am of no threat tonight or tomorrow night because you think I'm an arsonists and you kow how prime/ignite works, go for the threat right in front of you(and take a roleblocking Jail night action away from the Law people) not the one that isn't even a threat on the horizon and has a shimmer of hope that they can be proven town tonight by Matty.

- And the other one is Hip whose only real reason for wanting me dead is believing that there is no way a town vigilante has the prime/ignite abilities and that those are clear Third Party abilities, while at the same time being a hypocrite and arguing that we shouldn't use statistics and look to past games or to what a setup is likely like. So we can't assume there is a vigilante based on how likely it is that there is one (and that they would of CC'd my unCC'd face by now), but you can assume that prime/ignite are only third party because 'thats what they're usually like'.

first off, I agree, if people think I'm scummier than you then yes they should vote me - if they think they'll have no issues voting you tomorrow (which I'd disagree with but) and also think I'm mafia then they should also vote for me

but about the hip being hypocritical thing, that's a strawman - he's not saying prime/ignite are third party because that's what they're usually like, he's saying the whole point of prime/ignite is to give people the ability to do more than one kill so it doesn't make sense to give it to a 1-shot vigilante. it's giving you a power that is designed to give you a certain benefit, then taking away that benefit. they may as well have just giving you kill, but they didn't - why?

 

[Nottykitten]

I haven't read all of this or caught up yet but you seem to be relying on matty's results but matty is most likely going to be made a target to the mafia with that plan, so he'll die tonight whereas otherwise he'd have probably been left to live to give us some more information (since without him being relevant with notty he's not as big a target as some others), notty will therefore not be able to be proven lying one way or another, will probably douse TWG and probably will get to live on again under the 'I'll prove my worth by igniting a mafia' argument

Again using the argument I supposedly can't be lynched tomorrow so instead you want to take away the 1 chance I have of actually being proven, which is waiting for Matty to check me tonight. Matty doesn't have to die tonight and if he does plenty of people have said that my final chance of being proven would then be dead and they'd lynch me. There is no reason to not give me the tiniest chance of being proven via Matty, and if anything a watcher on Matty could catch out a Mafia red handed.

first off, I agree, if people think I'm scummier than you then yes they should vote me - if they think they'll have no issues voting you tomorrow (which I'd disagree with but) and also think I'm mafia then they should also vote for me

but about the hip being hypocritical thing, that's a strawman - he's not saying prime/ignite are third party because that's what they're usually like, he's saying the whole point of prime/ignite is to give people the ability to do more than one kill so it doesn't make sense to give it to a 1-shot vigilante. it's giving you a power that is designed to give you a certain benefit, then taking away that benefit. they may as well have just giving you kill, but they didn't - why?

You're literally describing hyprocacy right here and proclaiming it's a strawman. CAH CAH CAH get your strawmans away from my actual argument

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I can most certainly try to kill Omni. If he doesn't die it only proves his claim that he can't be killed.

and waste your 1-shot ignite?

I can most certainly try to kill Omni. If he doesn't die it only proves his claim that he can't be killed.

Like Weak already point out, this is a trash argument because none of us can be prove town.

that wasn't even my argument

I can most certainly try to kill Omni. If he doesn't die it only proves his claim that he can't be killed.

Like Weak already point out, this is a trash argument because none of us can be prove town. Also its a trash argument because I infact CAN be proven town by Matty's night action. Matty doesn't have to die because the threat of a watcher watching Matty ever lingers. So yeah there is plenty of reason the mafia won't kill Matty tonight. Possibly exposing one of their own is not worth people still doubting my claim.

and who's to say the mafia don't already know if there's a watcher in the setup or not using a power census ability or something? I mean you have a fair point yeah but he's still not guaranteed to be safe

This is super biased and as Claire and Omni pointed out are clear manipulation tactics. Really only putting up a single reason to vote you vs 4 bs reasons to vote me. Look at #4 and tell me that same reason to vote me is not a reason to vote you. Let me write it down for you: 'the other likely candidate is Notty, so if you think Notty is probably town(or want to give them the chance to be proven tonight) then you'll also want to vote Inf to save Notty'. It's a trash reason you only put there to make it look like there are so many reasons to lynch me when in reality #1, #2 and #4 are trash and not even valid reasons.

Clear manipulation tactics. Glad Omni and Claire are calling you out because it's so obvious

I want you to make it clear why I'm being manipulative here, because I know you don't agree with what claire and omni are saying

but yeah I'm biased to save my own life, the whole post was an argument to lynch you over me

 

[Unusual_Dood]

*Grabbing popcorn*

 

[Infected_alien8_]

TheWeakGuy48_ you town-read me and think my ability is town right?

do you think it makes sense that notty has been given prime and ignite as a 1-shot vigilante, and if so, why?

 

[Nottykitten]

I want you to make it clear why I'm being manipulative here, because I know you don't agree with what claire and omni are saying

but yeah I'm biased to save my own life, the whole post was an argument to lynch you over me

The manipulative part is where you put forward 4 arguments to lynch me, 3 of which aren't actual arguments, and only put 1 for lynching youto make it look like there are so many reasons to lynch me. A more objective list would look like this:

Reasons to lynch Notty:
Potentially a third party anarchist

Reasons to lynch Inf:
Potentially a Mafia

Reasons to not lynch Notty:
Matty can attempt prove Notty tonight via his power inspect night action. (Decent chance Matty dies during the night but small chance he doesn't)
Notty claims to want to set Omni ablaze to kill a Mafia. (Omni claims he won't die so this reason is weaker)
Potentially our town vigilante

Reasons to not lynch Inf:
Potentially our town jailer


Objectively if someone had 0 opinions leaving me alive and lynching you is the thing to do. If this isn't objective enough feel free to point it out. I don't think 'might not be lynched later' is an actual objective argument for lynching me because it has no basis. And you're right nobody has 0 opinion and if someone town reads you (like Unu) they don't have to lynch you just because it's more logical, but same goes if they town-read me.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

The manipulative part is where you put forward 4 arguments to lynch me, 3 of which aren't actual arguments, and only put 1 for lynching youto make it look like there are so many reasons to lynch me. A more objective list would look like this:

Reasons to lynch Notty:
Potentially a third party anarchist

Reasons to lynch Inf:
Potentially a Mafia

Reasons to not lynch Notty:
Matty can attempt prove Notty tonight via his power inspect night action. (Decent chance Matty dies during the night but small chance he doesn't)
Notty claims to want to set Omni ablaze to kill a Mafia. (Omni claims he won't die so this reason is weaker)
Potentially our town vigilante

Reasons to not lynch Inf:
Potentially our town jailer


Objectively if someone had 0 opinions leaving me alive and lynching you is the thing to do. If this isn't objective enough feel free to point it out. I don't think 'might not be lynched later' is an actual objective argument for lynching me because it has no basis. And you're right nobody has 0 opinion and if someone town reads you (like Unu) they don't have to lynch you just because it's more logical, but same goes if they town-read me.

okay, it wasn't objective. that's not what I asked though, I asked why it was manipulative

because you're piggy backing onto claire and omni but we both know you can't agree with what they're actually saying so I want you to prove me wrong

 

[Nottykitten]

TheWeakGuy48_ you town-read me and think my ability is town right?

do you think it makes sense that notty has been given prime and ignite as a 1-shot vigilante, and if so, why?

To continue my trend of tagging people Inf also individually tags, TheWeakGuy48_ do you think it's time to place your vote? You've said you would place your vote on Inf and that you were willing to give me the chance to be proven tonight (and if I'm not lynch me tomorrow(?))

okay, it wasn't objective. that's not what I asked though, I asked why it was manipulative

because you're piggy backing onto claire and omni but we both know you can't agree with what they're actually saying so I want you to prove me wrong

Thats exactly what you asked. It not being objective is exactly the point because you make it look like it's objective 'reasons to lynch notty' 'reasons to lynch me' in big bold letters but they aren't actual reasons they're faulty opinions and stacked against me. You clearly meant it to manipulate people because why else would you put 'reasons to lynch me' there with only 1 argument if not to pretend there aren't any arguments against you. What doy ou mean I'm piggy backing onto claire and omni, I've been calling you out for manipulation for ages and now they are too

 

[Nottykitten]

To continue my trend of tagging people Inf also individually tags, TheWeakGuy48_ do you think it's time to place your vote? You've said you would place your vote on Inf and that you were willing to give me the chance to be proven tonight (and if I'm not lynch me tomorrow(?))

I forgot to finish this but I wanted to add: is there anything holding you back from voting Inf (or changing your opinion to me)?