Trouble in the West: Pirates vs Cowboys [Finished]

[Fiestaguy]

Allright so there are these options for a lone kill.

1. The killing roles did not strike
2. Someone got succesfully protected
3. A killer got roleblocked
4. There is a Janitor in play (Not sure if there is. Never actually encountered one so i don't know.)
5. There is a bleeder
6. There is a 1-shot bulletproof/Armorer using his own armor.

 

[Jivvi]

I'm a bit skeptical about this.
I don't see how this can level the playing field really.
Let's look at this:
The Mafia knows the goddamn spokesmen now and knows who to kill to eliminate inns 1 by 1

Also 77 was the one wanting to lynch notty for being experienced. And now notty is dead.
Not making a case or accusing 77 yet but i find him slightly suspicious now...

Thing is, if there's only 1 spokesperson, after they kill the firts one, who do they kill next?
Besides, there's likely to be at least one anti-town per inn, and focusing solely on eliminating nocturnally communicating townies will waste a lot of potentially more useful actions.

 

[Jivvi]

There is a Janitor in play (Not sure if there is. Never actually encountered one so i don't know.)

Not this one, deaths are always announced, it's the role that the Janitors conceal

 

[Fiestaguy]

In Plane Troubles, there were three Mafia in ten people, so I'm assuming six Mafia with twenty people.

Well the most balanced mafia ratio is
1 Mafia in 4 players (4:1)
OR
1 Mafia in 3 players (3:1)
So with 20 people now i'm assuming either 5 or 6 as swate said.

Now with 20 people alive let me make another table of maths that possibly can and WILL be incorrect
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{td}Players{/td}
{td}Mafia{/td}
{td}Ratio{/td}
{td}Chance to lynch scum{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}20{/td}
{td}5{/td}
{td}
4:1 or 1/4{/td}
{td}25%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}20{/td}
{td}6{/td}
{td}3:1 or 1/3{/td}
{td}30%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}20{/td}
{td}7{/td}
{td}N/A{/td}
{td}35%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td} {/td}
{td} {/td}
{td} {/td}
{td} {/td}
{/tr}
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{td} {/td}
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{td} {/td}
{td} {/td}
{/tr}
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{td} {/td}
{td} {/td}
{td} {/td}
{td} {/td}
{/tr}
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{td} {/td}
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{td} {/td}
{/tr}
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{td} {/td}
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[/xtable]
Well the table is bigger than i anticipated ._.

 

[Jivvi]

There is a bleeder

If there is one, they should claim, as we'll know by the days end anyway.

1. own armor.

To be noted: Serial Killers are usually one-shot bulletproof, as are some other 3rd-Party roles

 

[Fiestaguy]

Thing is, if there's only 1 spokesperson, after they kill the firts one, who do they kill next?
Besides, there's likely to be at least one anti-town per inn, and focusing solely on eliminating nocturnally communicating townies will waste a lot of potentially more useful actions.

As stated by everyone. There are 4 people in an inn. That's not THAT much. Killing the spokesperson

• Eliminates the spokesman
• Drains 25% of the inns population
• If a new spokesman is chosen. He'll get killed. And the cycle begins anew

Anyway. Geography class now. Seeya later

 

[Swate]

Well the most balanced mafia ratio is
1 Mafia in 4 players (4:1)
OR
1 Mafia in 3 players (3:1)
So with 20 people now i'm assuming either 5 or 6 as swate said.

Now with 20 people alive let me make another table of maths that possibly can and WILL be incorrect
[xtable=708x45]
{tbody}
{tr}
{td}Players{/td}
{td}Mafia{/td}
{td}Ratio{/td}
{td}Chance to lynch scum{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}20{/td}
{td}5{/td}
{td}
4:1 or 1/4{/td}
{td}25%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}20{/td}
{td}6{/td}
{td}3:1 or 1/3{/td}
{td}30%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}20{/td}
{td}7{/td}
{td}N/A{/td}
{td}35%{/td}
{/tr}
[/xtable]
Well the table is bigger than i anticipated ._.

Table should be fixed in this quote, I hope.

Don't forget there are 19 alive now with Notty gone.

 

[Jivvi]

As stated by everyone. There are 4 people in an inn. That's not THAT much. Killing the spokesperson

• Eliminates the spokesman
• Drains 25% of the inns population
• If a new spokesman is chosen. He'll get killed. And the cycle begins anew

Anyway. Geography class now. Seeya later

Like I said, this is a glorious waste of time and resources the mafia may not have

 

[Swate]

Not that it makes a big difference but raises our chance of lynching scum just that little bit higher

 

[Swate]

thanks for posting between my two posts Jivvi, gosh r00d :<

 

[Fiestaguy]

Like I said, this is a glorious waste of time and resources the mafia may not have

How would you know? Perhaps the mafia got nothing better to attack? We don't know exactly so it still poses a risk.

 

[Fiestaguy]

Don't forget there are 19 alive now with Notty gone.

I knooow i'm a moron

And then it dawns on me. WHAT IN THE LIVING CRAP IS A DONUT SHOP DOING IN THE WILD WILD WEST?!

 

[Swate]

Like I said, this is a glorious waste of time and resources the mafia may not have

What resources? our time? Our money? Our goshdern armadillers boi? @JKangaroo[/b]
I'm just killing time

 

[Swate]

What resources? our time? Our money? Our goshdern armadillers boi? @JKangaroo[/b]
I'm just killing time

My two smiley faces haunt me ;-; I hate it when I use the same smiley again and it makes the comment look redundant

I knooow i'm a moron

And then it dawns on me. WHAT IN THE LIVING CRAP IS A DONUT SHOP DOING IN THE WILD WILD WEST?!

Hoho, maybe it's hinting at a Baker role. I read about that on the Epicmafia wiki... actually, it's probably too complex, but you never know. This game is supposed to be crazy and unpredictable.

 

[Jivvi]

1. 
   The killing roles did not strike
2. Someone got succesfully protected
3. A killer got roleblocked
4. There is a Janitor in play (Not sure if there is. Never actually encountered one so i don't know.)
5. There is a bleeder
6. There is a 1-shot bulletproof/Armorer using his own armor.

Here are some more refined possibilities ~
1- One/+ killing roles did not act
2- One/+ killing roles were blocked
3- One/+ protecting roles saved someone
4- A bleeding or bulletproof role has been hit

Personally, I think that the idea of an Arsonist in play is something to ponder.
~ A mafia-sided Arsonist could possibly be their only source of killing, at least until they die
~ A Third-Party Arsonist is likely to have a one-shot bulletproof ability, in such a wildly chaotic game
~ A town-sided Arsonist is highly unlikely, in my personal opinion

~ I've seen a funny kind of roles elsewhere under the same name that entails burning down a targets house, killing them if they locked themselves in with a locksmith key, and also stopping them from being able to use a locksmith key in the future. This is unlikely, however, as Hype has claimed to be covering in gasoline, not has their house burnt down.

 

[Jivvi]

Hoho, maybe it's hinting at a Baker role. I read about that on the Epicmafia wiki... actually, it's probably too complex, but you never know. This game is supposed to be crazy and unpredictable.

That would be another very real threat, a famine mechanic.

 

[Jivvi]

Although I think you are informed if/when your recieve bread

 

[Fiestaguy]

My two smiley faces haunt me ;-; I hate it when I use the same smiley again and it makes the comment look redundant



Hoho, maybe it's hinting at a Baker role. I read about that on the Epicmafia wiki... actually, it's probably too complex, but you never know. This game is supposed to be crazy and unpredictable.

I reckon there isn't. The baker gives out bread each night. And if they die the entire town dies soon. Baker is just a gamebreaking role. But oh well. For the heck of it.

If anyone has received bread from a 'Baker' role. Tell us now.

 

[Fiestaguy]

Although I think you are informed if/when your recieve bread

Yeah jivvs. I once too, Was unaware that a loaf of bread was stuck up my mailbox

 

[Fiestaguy]

Notty's stalking this THREEEAAAADDDD

 

[Enderfive]

Ok, so we lost our Roleblocker and there might be an Arsonist running around. Great. I'm completely devoid of any new ideas at this point, might go over the thread again and see if anything seems remotely suspicious.

I would like to point out, however, that @Swate is still the most suspicious person to me at this moment. He was very shifty with his votes yesterday, going with whatever was the popular opinion at the time and if any accusations were made against him, he brushed them off as "dumb" or similar, making sure to discredit the accusation without providing any actual logic or proof behind his statement. And he's doing the same thing again today, when Hype came up with a small and uncertain theory that Swate may be the Arsonist, he immediately brushes it off by saying "It's a very shallow accusation and I have lots of proof that I can't be it" without actually providing any proof, instead he just moves on to some math that has relatively little importance to us right now, and which can't be proved in any way at this moment in any case, because it's just too early to make such assumptions, as Jeercrul already pointed out.

And while I'm at it, I may also point out this:

What resources? our time? Our money? Our goshdern armadillers boi?
I'm just killing time

When talking about the mafia's resources. May be a slip, idk. Since I don't have any other suspicions at this moment, I'm gonna vote him. Feel free to convince me otherwise or come up with a more solid suspicion. I don't even expect anyone to follow my vote, I'm just putting it out there for everyone to think about.

vote Swate

 

[Fiestaguy]

@Swate

 

[Enderfive]

@Swate

No need for another tag, I already did that.

 

[Jivvi]

If anyone has received bread from a 'Baker' role. Tell us now.

Actually it would be helpful to know if any items are in play at all. Since this is a very role-specific setup, I have my doubts. Regardless~

If you have any sort of item, state 'I have an item.'

Please note that you will quite likely be exposing yourself by doing this. If you are a vital role, or your item is a not a vest or a similar self-protective item, it may be best not to claim.

 

[Prizyms]

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