Trouble in the West: Pirates vs Cowboys [Finished]

[GmK]

@endersteve5 I explained quite clearly why I voted OMO today, in afaik 2 posts. His claim has changed things though, have only now caught up fully.

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@Jivvi - I first had the idea that everybody answer if he/she targeted you during the night. If nobody did, we would know your claim to be BS. Unfortunately the mafia could just lie in stating not to have hit you, so the plan doesn't work. But, nevertheless, there is something incredibly fishy about it, like Jkang eplained.

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I want to repeat that i can only read the thread 1-2 times a day this week and will have maybe every second day to reply.

For now: unvote

(and I'll try to post again on tuesday depending what happens)

 

[digi]

I feel like Jivvi's just referencing the Innkeeper from the Bloody Masquerade, but if you want to use it as evidence against him to be possible mafia, be my guest.

Perhaps. But this:

Also, the mafia better be careful not to hit an Innkeeper, be there one this game.

Doesn't add up to Jivvi simply referencing the role that was in the Masquerade. It's difficult for me to believe that he said it just to indicate that perhaps there's an Innkeeper. He's in the Small Crappy Saloon with 3 other patrons, I'm wondering if you guys happened to talk about Innkeepers?

As for your claim.

Also, to settle the uncertainty that people have about my role; I am Mad Mike. After being visited once at night, I arm my bomb, after which point anyone who visits me will be blown to kingdom come. I did word my post wrong before, as it may have been a different non-killing PR. Either way, mafia missed their safe shot at me
:3

Something just doesn't fit here at all. You arm yourself with a bomb each night and whoever visits you gets blown up. Yet you say -

Either way, mafia missed their safe shot at me

So you were targeted by Mafia, yet one of them managed to survive your bomb and you got to live another day?
Your explanations so far have been inconsistent and your enquiry to finding out whom has items has me even more suspicious.

vote Jivvi

 

[Samlen]

So you were targeted by Mafia, yet one of them managed to survive your bomb and you got to live another day?
Your explanations so far have been inconsistent and your enquiry to finding out whom has items has me even more suspicious.

I think he meant that after being visited at night, he will blow up his next visitor on a different night. Besides that, Jivvi did act suspicious in his role claiming, and he honestly shouldn't have even bothered claiming since that's ruined whatever chance he had of using his ability usefully, if he really does what he says he does. His claim does, admittedly, match up with what he has been acting earlier in the game, but he's still not playing his role very well, which I would've expected him to be able to play his role better, if this is his role. I can't say it's enough to make me switch my vote, but Jivvi has managed to make himself fairly suspicious.

 

[digi]

His claim does, admittedly, match up with what he has been acting earlier in the game, but he's still not playing his role very well, which I would've expected him to be able to play his role better, if this is his role.

What do you mean? How was he acting earlier?

 

[Swate]

After careful consideration, Fiesta I'm going to have to go for you due to the two possible outcomes being the most positive combined out of everyone imo. If you are Mafia, yippeedoodah. If you aren't, then we can be safe that you won't reveal information accidentally to help the Mafia.

I'm sorry.

Unvote
Vote Fiestaguy

 

[Samlen]

What do you mean? How was he acting earlier?

That was sort of bad wording on my part, he was hinting that "It would be a bad idea to visit me again, Mafia" Or something along those lines. I could find a direct quote if ya want.

 

[Timdood3]

I'm sorry.

This is the wonderful world of mafia, where apologies are meaningless and your friends can easily be plotting against you.

 

[Swate]

This is the wonderful world of mafia, where apologies are meaningless and your friends can easily be plotting against you.

I know, just formality on my part we were having fun and joking around a little bit in this thread earlier so I just wanted to apologise for what could be seen as a colloquial backstab of sorts.

 

[Jeercrul]

I have the time to post now, so I shall. Sorry if these seem a little bit lacking or dry, I'm trying hard to think but for some reason my brain just isn't working in the way I want it to.

My opinions:
Fiestaguy: While his words do not make sense and some of his posts seem a little... weird, I don't feel strongly towards him. I feel that he is just being silly as usual and trying his best to help the town. However I still am going to keep an eye on him.

Swate: Another person I plan to keep an eye on. Initially I do feel that his vote-jumping appears scummy, however the more I think about it the more I am conflicted about whether he is really scummy or just that it's his inexperience in the game.

Jkangaroo: I really don't get why some people are having an FoS on him. His posts make logical sense, and his ideas are especially pro-town.

Jivvi: If not for Digi and Jkang's posts, I wouldn't have noticed about the incoherence in his posts. One thing that particularly struck me was his need to claim directly after Oak's claim, which I see no reason to do so, and it seemed more like a chance for him to gain the town's trust and for killing roles avoid killing him at night. And yes, my inn touched briefly on the subject of innkeepers, I'm not sure whether Jivvi's inn did so as well. I'm not willing to delve into the topic of PM mechanisms, but so far for our inn it has seemed like an innkeeper is non-existent in this game and rooms are similar to that of the rooms in DC.

vote Jivvi

 

[Timdood3]

Vote Count VI - The one where Tim's takin' this port by storm!

Swate (3) - endersteve5, Samlen, HypeBurst[L-7]
Old_Man_Oak_63 (1) - Sploorky, [L-9]
GmK (1) - Old_Man_Oak_63[L-9]
Fiestaguy (4) - Ooglie101, Timdood3, Ansoro2112, Swate [L-6]
Jivvi(4) - JKangaroo, 77_is_the_best, Digitalmez, Jeercrul [L-6]

DEADLINE - Wednesday 25 May : 1900 BST

 

[JKangaroo]

Vote Count いち - The one where JKangaroo (hopefully) fixes part of tim's votecount while now using Japanese numbers.

Swate (3) - endersteve5, Samlen, HypeBurst[L-7]
Old_Man_Oak_63 (1) - Sploorky, [L-9]
GmK (1) - Old_Man_Oak_63[L-9]
Fiestaguy (5) - Ooglie101, Timdood3, Ansoro2112, Swate, 77_is_the_best [L-5]
Jivvi(3) - JKangaroo, Digitalmez, Jeercrul [L-7]

Unvoted - GmK, Fiestaguy, storm886, Duffie, cooliorules, Jivvi,

DEADLINE - Wednesday 25 May : 1900 BST

 

[Timdood3]

Hey, I was gonna do that, but the thought occurred to me slightly after I posted it...close enough though

 

[HypeBurst]

Also, to settle the uncertainty that people have about my role; I am Mad Mike. After being visited once at night, I arm my bomb, after which point anyone who visits me will be blown to kingdom come. I did word my post wrong before, as it may have been a different non-killing PR. Either way, mafia missed their safe shot at me
:3

Honestly, Im unsure if someone has said something about this already, but if you really had the potential to kill off a mafia member trying to kill you, why would you warn them when you could easily take them out? I dont trust this claim at all, or your warnings.

unvote
vote Jivvi

 

[Duffie]

... If Jivvi is mafia, who hit Jivvi last night? o. o

 

[Swate]

Actually fuck,,, I'm doing it again, jumping all over the place and voting and unvoting and vibdsgbishjdf everywhere, but things being brought up about Jivvi by JKang and Digi have really started to tip me off, most notably this:

But just a hint for mafia; you may not want to see what happens if you target me again

I'm just going with a vibe here, but this just seems a little... off. Either Jivvi actually is a bleeder/bulletproof role and the Mafia/a 3P hurt him during N1, or.. hm. I'll have to give this more thought, but I find this statement yucky somehow. If it turns out that Jivvi was trying to tell us something important in this statement, though, I'm going to eat a hat.

 

[Swate]

Disclaimer: not srs at the end there, hats taste ew[/size=1]

 

[Duffie]

If the threat to mafia is iffy, I don't see it.

I honestly feel like we're voting poorly on this, to be quite honest. I don't think Jivvi's the way to go.

I'm just saying, because it sounds like he was hit, is all. If it wasn't mafia, who do you think it could be? o. o

 

[HypeBurst]

... If Jivvi is mafia, who hit Jivvi last night? o. o

We cant be sure that Jivvi was even hit last night, its like my claim that I was doused with gasoline, you can choose to either trust or deny the claim. Right now I deny it.

And even if he is telling the truth about being hit, we could be a mafia being hit by some town/third party member or on the flip side, third party hit by mafia.

 

[Duffie]

We cant be sure that Jivvi was even hit last night, its like my claim that I was doused with gasoline, you can choose to either trust or deny the claim. Right now I deny it.

And even if he is telling the truth about being hit, we could be a mafia being hit by some town/third party member or on the flip side, third party hit by mafia.

Hmm... Well, quite honestly, I want to believe you all. xD

I'm sorry, but I'm gonna sit around for now. Still unsure who I want to vote for.

 

[Samlen]

He didn't say 'hit' specifically, he just said he needed to be visited, whether by watcher, vig or anything else. What makes me wary of Jivvi is the way, the timing, and the logic of even revealing his role at any point like this. He could just be playing his role very poorly or he's scrambling to find a role to keep him alive. I'm going to be cautious and wait to see what his reaction is to these accusations and judge from there.

 

[Timdood3]

-sigh-
I was going to point out that Jivvi never specified he had to be hit, only visited....but then Samlen did like 5 minutes ago >-<

I'm going to sleep now. I hope I wake up to something productive tomorrow x _x

 

[Duffie]

Hmm... I have to admit, being visited and then holding a bomb feels a bit different than being hit then holding a bomb. o. o

I'm not so sure how to feel about the roles in this game anymore. xD

 

[cooliorules]

And yes, though I could be Mafia (just like anyone else here could well be) I don't see a lot of people agreeing with me; I haven't exactly said anything that hasn't been said by someone else already, or really anything. x)

I don't think I meant agreeing, per say.

I don't even know what I meant because my flight was delayed by 6 and a half hours, so I'll read up now. (Yes I have slept so I won't sound insane)

 

[cooliorules]

(Especially when we're slightly tired)

THIS WILL BE ME FOR THE NEXT WEEK OKAY

 

[cooliorules]

hat i can't seem to fit my opinion or anything inside anywhere anymore.

If you have an opinion just freaking say it