Trouble in the West: Pirates vs Cowboys [Finished]

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cooliorules

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What do you think are the general roles/alignments of Swate/Storm/Digitalmez?
I honestly have no idea. I also don't see how this exactly helps us in any way?
What we think the roles are personally doesn't matter, it's the town that needs to try our best together as a unit to find the mafia/third party and get rid of them.

Ooglie might have become a lazy cop after loosing his donuts (Donut Dan died)
This is what hit me about the donuts. You guys know Sheriff Wiggum from the simpsons? He loves his donuts.
I honestly would not be surprised if that is what happened.

(I actually don't remember now if we have proof that our other cop was sane?)
Cops don't show as insane/para/lazy/naive, they simply show as "cop" (or Sheriff in this game)

If the people of my inn want to come out then they can if they wish. What Tim says is probably right.
Whee that's me.
 

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Also, there is someone who has claimed Alien. What do we do, we just do nothing?

They're someone we need to eliminate to get to our win condition (as town, at least. Mafia is a different situation I think). Let's get rid of them while we can!

Now is that moment where I forget who claimed Alien...... -sigh-
Storm claimed Alien.

Honestly, I think that we need to focus on lynching a mafia right now and if we get no significant ideas or theories, then turn to Storm. We don't know if the town automatically loses if the Alien wins, but we do know that the Alien is not necessarily against us and the mafia is. So far, we have no confirmed mafia deaths either, so I believe a mafia lynch would be the most desirable outcome from this day.
 

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Alien is third party (as far as I know, unless I've missed something)
Town needs to eliminate all threats. So as far as I know, we do.
I don't think the Alien can be considered much of a threat. All in all, if we do find ourselves in a situation where storm is pretty much the only option left, there's nothing stopping us from lynching him then.
 

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Umm there's thirteen people left and we dont know if any mafia have been killed, something JK said earlier was that usually around one quarter of the starting players are mafia, which would mean there could be 5 mafia still looming. If this is correct, we are on the cusp of one of those situations (no lynch and lose, mis-lynch and lose) so we need to make killing mafia first priority right now, rather than third party. If we believe storm's claim that he is third party, well he's one of the crucial numbers that stops mafia from equalling the other players left, and thus needs to be spared, for now.
 

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Inb4 crunchy donuts are the actual cause of all evil in this town. Seeing this game I wouldnt be surprised if "Donut Dan" was a pivotal role. And the hosts are probably currently laughing their asses off at all that is happening "behind the scenes"...

Anyhow:

@cooliorules - uhm, I know you said you didn't get notifications, but that doesn't justify rehashing discussions 1:1 as we already had them in the posts before yours, and actually confusing things like this? I hope you now have a clearer picture of the whole storm situation.

@HypeBurst - I agree that we must now hunt scum. The thing is, that we had many sentiments that storms claim is fake. If we actually give the benefit of the doubt of the claim, it currently mostly leaves one person to lynch: digi (especially with the whole lazy cop thing). But if we lynch digi, and it turns out to be an innocent, we don't win anything...but that's the problem we will always have.

Then there's also someone like @std1997 still in the game who is so completely quiet that it's either a extremely bored towny, a PR that doesn't feel like he has an effect on the game, or a sneaky scum person. Let's see: std, what's you opinion in all this?
 

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I honestly have no idea. I also don't see how this exactly helps us in any way?
What we think the roles are personally doesn't matter, it's the town that needs to try our best together as a unit to find the mafia/third party and get rid of them.
Regardless of how 'silly' questions may seem, or how useless they may be, it's people's responses to these questions that are important. These responses will help the town in their own way, if people even bother to participate in them. As for right now, I'm more interested in waiting for more responses before I say much more on the matter.
 

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I think we should do another round of "Questions" to spark the conversation a little bit more.

1. Who do you currently find the most suspicious? And why?

2. Who are you most likely to think is innocent at this point? Why?

3. Do you think Swate was town or anti-town?

(If you all want to add more questions go ahead)

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1. Well, since Storm claimed to be the "Alien" (That's IF he's telling the truth) that's something we need to keep an eye on because either way he's dangerous. If he's telling the truth then yes, he's a Third-Party Role and if he's lying then he's Mafia. That simple. He might be my main suspicious but again, us Town need to lynch a mafia today.

Besides Storm I would say Std. I don't really have a "real" reason but I've always find suspcious and completely dangerous the lurkers. Because usually those are the ones that are overlooked and get really far in the game. I just haven't seen Std said enough the entire game.

2. Well, you can't really trust anyone but I would choose 77. Simply because he used his ability. So maybe that means he's inno? I don't know.

3. This is a tricky one. I would love to think Swate was Mafia but again, there's always the possibilty he wasn't. I'm like 55% he might've been anti-town and 45% he was town.
 

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1. Who do you currently find the most suspicious? And why?

Probably Storm, his Alien claim doesn't sit right with me. There wasn't really any pressure on him to claim at that moment, but he said that he claimed because he would have to sooner or later. Personally, it just seems like a panic claim sort of thing.

2. Who are you most likely to think is innocent at this point? Why?

Digi. I'm certain Swate was mafia, and that would make Ooglie an insane (lazy) cop, thus clearing Digi.

3. Do you think Swate was town or anti-town?

I'm certain Swate was mafia. The first half of the game was riddled with his slips and poorly concealed anti-town agenda.
 

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Who do you currently find the most suspicious? And why?
I'm actually going to say Digitalmez (for now), I've looked at what Ooglie's done and what's happened around him, and it makes the most sense to me that he was probably a Lazy Cop. Now this is what I currently have the most evidence for, and I can't say I feel completely certain of it. I still want to hear more from Digi, but the fact that Digitalmez doesn't seem to be interested in saying much and assumed a bit of a defeatist attitude in a recent post isn't really helping that much.
Probably of approximate equal suspicion would be the lurkers, considering how many days they've had to contribute, but STILL haven't done much of anything to contribute, which has obviously not been helping us much right now.

Who are you most likely to think is innocent at this point? Why?
There hasn't been a lot of evidence to support innocent people right now, and the biggest evidence of someone's innocence would be 77 using their ability, and I'm not even sure if 77's ability would strictly be pro-town. All things considered though, it does feel like it'd be a town ability, so I'm considering that 77's least suspicious. If I go off of people's playstyles in this game so far, I can't say I've found many people to NOT be suspicious, many are just too quiet and others just don't feel like they're completely pro-town.

Do you think Swate was town or anti-town?
I was convinced of his guilt almost the whole game, but I've looked over the evidence and I'm starting to doubt what I thought was true the whole game. Looking at what Swate claimed, that looks like a more powerful version of a vigilante role. We've had multiple nights going by so far, and each night we've only had one kill. There's almost always a vigilante-like role in each game, and the only evidence of a vigilante type of role was Swate's claim (Which is more powerful in that he can question his target anonymously as well as kill them). Now there's the possibility that Swate is lying and our actual vigilante has just been roleblocked by a Pirate or is too uncertain of people to kill anyone, but that feels a bit too much of an uncertainty to say that it was either scenario. I can't say I believe for sure that Swate was innocent, but I can't, for sure, say that he was anti-town either.
On a sidenote concerning this, if there IS a vigilante out there, then I'd be convinced of Swate's guilt. Though the only way I could see said vigilante letting us know about this is kill someone tonight, so that there'd be two kills tonight instead of one, but that could be extremely risky. They could hit a non-pirate and basically end the game, or there might (small chance at this point of the game, but still there) be a chance of another killing role that would kill tonight.
 

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No, I think regular civilian might take that title. Or maybe even a roleblocker.
Wait, why would a regular civilian claim an alien? The only reason for a civilian to fakeclaim is to draw the attention of the mafia to protect town power roles. For them to claim Alien would be a bit fruitless because why would the mafia want to kill an alien?

I can understand it a little more for the roleblocker because it's a power role, but our roleblocker is dead.
 

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@HypeBurst - I agree that we must now hunt scum. The thing is, that we had many sentiments that storms claim is fake. If we actually give the benefit of the doubt of the claim, it currently mostly leaves one person to lynch: digi (especially with the whole lazy cop thing). But if we lynch digi, and it turns out to be an innocent, we don't win anything...but that's the problem we will always have.
The two people who are voting for storm at this point and doing so because they think he is third party (unless I'm mistaken for coolio). Im trying to say that if the reason why you are voting storm is because you believe he's third party, you need to re-prioritize because it is believed that we are pretty close to a pretty shitty situation and need all the anti-mafia numbers as possible. I for one and quite sceptical of storm's claim but not to the point of voting for him for that reason because its a huge risk if he does turn out to be the alien.
 
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