Trouble in the West: Pirates vs Cowboys [Finished]
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Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
Ok hi yes sorry
1. Who do you currently find the most suspicious? And why?
Nobody in particular, we've managed to eliminate most of the "suspicious" people by this point. If I had to pick someone, I'd look at the ones that are either inactive without reason or the people who have managed to fly under the radar so far, such as Timdood, simply because nobody seems to have given them much thought. Underestimating a player can be catastrophic.
2. Who are you most likely to think is innocent at this point? Why?
77, Jeer and Digi.
3. Do you think Swate was town or anti-town?
Leaning towards anti-town, but I'm honestly not sure at this moment. His actions leave my mind little doubt that he was mafia, but Ooglie's investigation is still creeping in the back of my mind.
1. Who do you currently find the most suspicious? And why?
Nobody in particular, we've managed to eliminate most of the "suspicious" people by this point. If I had to pick someone, I'd look at the ones that are either inactive without reason or the people who have managed to fly under the radar so far, such as Timdood, simply because nobody seems to have given them much thought. Underestimating a player can be catastrophic.
2. Who are you most likely to think is innocent at this point? Why?
77, Jeer and Digi.
3. Do you think Swate was town or anti-town?
Leaning towards anti-town, but I'm honestly not sure at this moment. His actions leave my mind little doubt that he was mafia, but Ooglie's investigation is still creeping in the back of my mind.
There have been multiple times throughout the game where people have found me suspicious and I have given explanations. I wouldn't exactly call that under the radar
It's because my explanations were so good \o/
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
Oh. Well, I didn't remember it, so it must have been either way back or rather minorThere have been multiple times throughout the game where people have found me suspicious and I have given explanations. I wouldn't exactly call that under the radar
It's because my explanations were so good \o/
Anyway, you were just an example. My point was, that even though you shouldn't suspect them simply because they've gone unnoticed so far, you should be especially wary of the ones you trust the most, because people tend to overlook the signs of danger in the ones they trust the most, while it is possible that they're not town as they say they are.
First off to the people who tagged me for lurking or accused of me so because I was at camp. This is for you 
Big thank you to @cooliorules for being my defender while I was at camp cause I'm sure I would've been lynched since people can't read forum statuses besides you apparently
1. Who do you currently find the most suspicious? And why?
GmK, Ansoro, and Hypeburst. Anyone who finds a guy suspicious of lurking cause he's at camp is obviously mafia. (I'm kidding. I still find everyone suspicious and don't really have an FoS atm.)
2. Who are you most likely to think is innocent at this point? Why?
I think Ender, Tim, and Coolio are. I'm getting harmless third-party or townie vibes from those three besides that I've not been able to see much (since I was at CAMP) to notice.
3. Do you think Swate was town or anti-town?
What I remember from Swate being lynched was a strong feeling of him being pressured to where he slipped up so often from just inexperience. I feel people just picked at everything he said and pulled him to pieces. I feel he was more likely to be a town-sided role but there's the other side of the coin where it could've been legitimate slip-ups and he was Mafia.
I'll try to pick up on my activity with the thread also so no need to fear. Lurker std is here!
Big thank you to @cooliorules for being my defender while I was at camp cause I'm sure I would've been lynched since people can't read forum statuses besides you apparently
1. Who do you currently find the most suspicious? And why?
GmK, Ansoro, and Hypeburst. Anyone who finds a guy suspicious of lurking cause he's at camp is obviously mafia. (I'm kidding. I still find everyone suspicious and don't really have an FoS atm.)
2. Who are you most likely to think is innocent at this point? Why?
I think Ender, Tim, and Coolio are. I'm getting harmless third-party or townie vibes from those three besides that I've not been able to see much (since I was at CAMP) to notice.
3. Do you think Swate was town or anti-town?
What I remember from Swate being lynched was a strong feeling of him being pressured to where he slipped up so often from just inexperience. I feel people just picked at everything he said and pulled him to pieces. I feel he was more likely to be a town-sided role but there's the other side of the coin where it could've been legitimate slip-ups and he was Mafia.
I'll try to pick up on my activity with the thread also so no need to fear. Lurker std is here!
cooliorules
That Awkward Noodle
Ahah, no problem :)Big thank you to @cooliorules for being my defender while I was at camp cause I'm sure I would've been lynched since people can't read forum statuses besides you apparently
I have an extremely busy weekend (work, soccer game, soccer game and science/math study) so I will be on to relpy, but probably not as much. Sorry :c
cooliorules
That Awkward Noodle
I meant post. Ignore me, just got back from work as well as being sick. Let me re write that:
If you're going to post just to avoid lurking, then you'll be getting my vote.
I was also going to add on to that so yay!
I want you to post to help us, the town, to win. Don't just post once or twice, post as many times as you want with as many ideas as you get. That will help us. Posting to avoid lurking won't.
If you're going to post just to avoid lurking, then you'll be getting my vote.
I was also going to add on to that so yay!
I want you to post to help us, the town, to win. Don't just post once or twice, post as many times as you want with as many ideas as you get. That will help us. Posting to avoid lurking won't.
HypeBurst
Just Fabulous
Since ideas have basically run dry, If tomorrow is the same I'm going to have to vote Digi or Storm. I'm really unsure at this point because I'd rather not lynch either but since ideas and theories have basically halted and we won't get anywhere without some action, so I will have to make a vote.
JKangaroo
Your Local, Neighborhood Marsupial
This is the current voting stance if I counted correctly:
JKangaroo's Unofficial Votecount
+storm886 - 77_is_the_best
+digitalmez - JKangaroo
+Not voted - GmK, Endersteve5, Hypeburst, Jeercrul, digitalmez, samlem, std1997, cooliorules, timdood3, storm886, ansoro2112
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At the moment, majority of opinions are mainly being based on whether or not you believe on a certain alignment of Swate on the previous day, which is fine.
Personally, I still stick with the innocent verdict, and I feel the lazy cop theory may be one of our most concrete at this point in time.
I believe its safe to say that Ooglie, as a sheriff, had in some capacity a lazy effect, as seen by the 2 delays in his investigations. However, the issue I feel is not really based on the idea that he was lazy, but rather the possibility of having the trait of being an "insane cop."
Personally, I feel the insanity argument to be more of a relic from yesterdays arguments mainly used as a means to lynch Swate, but thats just me.
Of course there are many other possibilities with the insane quirk:
+Should we believe that the death of Notty, aka. Donut Dan actually affected Ooglie and thus turned his character into a lazy cop, is it possible that Ooglie was an insane cop at the start of the game? or could the death of Notty ALSO inflict some kind of insanity as well as the laziness factor?
+Could Oog have been insane prior to this all and switched to a laziness quirk instead after Notty's death?
+What about other possibilities? Is it even possible that Ooglie could have had other cop-esq quirks? Should we believe in the Donut Dan theory, could Ooglie have had other quirks before becoming lazy? Perhaps he was a confused cop that got random alignments, or a naive cop that said Swate was innocent even if he (possibly) wasn't?
Personally although I feel the insane idea had merit and still does to a degree now, I don't feel its as strong of a case any longer, and honestly, I don't trust the idea that Ooglie may have been "insane." At the moment its more used to enforce views that Swate was guilty to support their trust in digi, which is fine, but I disagree with it.
Of course even without insane it doesn't really make Swate nor digi guilty or innocent, because there are many possibilities that could even be passed around then.
Digi claims to be Abhorrent Adam I believe; certainly not a pleasant name to say the least, and because of that, a case could easily be made to say that Ooglie's cop investigation may have visited digi who may have a certain role that always shows guilty, like a miller for example, which despite being town, shows up as guilty.
...And then again, if we want to believe in the Insane Cop argument , then even if digi had some kind of miller esq role, then with Ooglie being insane, it should have shown digi as innocent with such an aspect (at least, if it carries over the miller characteristic of insane = innocent since its the opposite of a normal cop search, which logically it should be here should that have been the case).
And then there's still the case of whether or not we can confirm Jivvi, our other cop, as being normal, or having other quirks like insane, paranoid, naive, etc, etc. Or even having a "mix" or "activated" roles like it appears that Ooglie currently has with his theorized lazy-copness.
In fact its impossible to even prove what type of cop Jivvi was since it seems he didnt even get any investigations (I think? I recall he got roleblocked then died if memory serves, or did he live an extra day?)
The different possibilities makes me feel like I can't trust the idea that Ooglie could possibly be insane, and I feel like I can 100% believe he was in fact lazy, which makes more sense based on the current and past circumstances.
Of course, that's just me. So as of this time, I don't really doubt digi being anti-town.
A lot of my suspicions have changed in recent days, and at the moment, I have a growing theory based on the inns, however the only inn we really know about (unless I've missed something) is the Small, Crappy saloon that Fiesta, Jivvi, and Ooglie all have claimed to be apart of with the final member being unknown. Because we don't really have full information on the rest of the inns my theory is limited, but...
...Jivvi and Ooglie were both in the same inn, two cops... two sheriffs... in the same inn? And then we had an innocent townie, Fiestaguy too. Two cops in the same inn seems kind of strange to me.
Now I know that there is a chance that all of the inns were actually randomized by Prizyms, but that doesn't really seem like something that would happen in my opinion. The inn system, mainly from what happened last game, feels more like a fairly structured/planned game mechanic, but that's just me.
But: 3 innocents in one inn, with 2 being cops? At the moment I feel like each inn may specifically pertain to a specific alignment group.
^Now, this theory only really works if what storm is telling us true, because if he really is telling us the truth (which is... questionable), and that Swate could have been a possible alien-accomplice (well, if he wasn't already, because again, we don't know anything about Swate role besides him claiming some kind of jailer-esq role if I recal correctly) may signify that the aliens (if they even are apart of this game, with GmK's explanation I'm not so certain anymore on an alien role existing, or at least in rp-name sense) are they're own team so there could be more of them, possibly in the same inn. And then maybe then the last inn is filled with (mostly) Mafia? (or the opposite if Swate really was mafia/anti-town and storm is covering for it with being alien or whatever and that inn is anti-town... I dont know)
It's not the best, or even a good theory at that, but it was just something I randomly came up with as I typed this out; I feel it has possibilities in it, not exactly concrete possibilities, but possibilities nonetheless.
I'm going to end this because I feel like I'm just rambling because of not sleeping at 3 in the morning and probably didn't even address anything we were talking about the past few pages... I'll probably read it later when I wake up/not busy when I'm more alert/whatever...
Do want to ask ender about something:
Probably just a case of writing it wrong but eh, might as well ask since I was rambling on about inns anyways since these statements got me thinking about em. What do you mean 4 mafia, 1 for each inn? Swate said he was in an inn with Jeer, if he was mafia shouldn't it be 3 for each inn? or maybe do you mean a 4th is outside of the inn system seeing as not all of us are inn it (get it, inn it? eh? eh?... nevermind...) but then it makes me feel like you know more than we know :3 (Note I am not completely seriously about this but it did strike me as kind of strange but that's why I said it was probably a case of writing wrong and/or I'm just tired.)
Ohey, i just piece together the 2nd inn: ender, jeer, swate, and storm. \o/ (swate claimed to be with jeer a long time ago, and your claiming you and storm are in the same inn as swate now). So I guess we now know 3 of the 4 for Jivvi's inn and everyone for ender's inn.
Goodnight. o/
Alpha102's Official Votecount - Doing nothing but confirming what JKangaroo said, since he beat me to it by being awake!
storm886(1) - 77_is_the_best
digitalmez(1) - JKangaroo
Not voted(11) - THE REST(GmK, Endersteve5, Hypeburst, Jeercrul, digitalmez, samlem, std1997, cooliorules, timdood3, storm886, ansoro2112)
PSA: Activity is starting to dip a bit too much, so let's try getting some more discussion in. I don't want to put out a deadline quite yet, so try throwing out some ideas or speak your mind.
storm886(1) - 77_is_the_best
digitalmez(1) - JKangaroo
Not voted(11) - THE REST(GmK, Endersteve5, Hypeburst, Jeercrul, digitalmez, samlem, std1997, cooliorules, timdood3, storm886, ansoro2112)
PSA: Activity is starting to dip a bit too much, so let's try getting some more discussion in. I don't want to put out a deadline quite yet, so try throwing out some ideas or speak your mind.
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
@JKangaroo
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Sorry if I'm mistaken, but I remember from somewhere that there are four inns, not three. Considering how in the previous games there has been at least one mafia in each inn, that's where I got the number.
Also, if we base our suspicions on names, then could "Abhorrent" mean that she's Town, but maybe, I don't know, immoral or unethical in some way? As in, maybe she does something that from the perspective of a Cowboy or a Pirate (in-universe, not in our game here, but in Temisseorangelin) would be something of a taboo or something?
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Sorry if I'm mistaken, but I remember from somewhere that there are four inns, not three. Considering how in the previous games there has been at least one mafia in each inn, that's where I got the number.
Also, if we base our suspicions on names, then could "Abhorrent" mean that she's Town, but maybe, I don't know, immoral or unethical in some way? As in, maybe she does something that from the perspective of a Cowboy or a Pirate (in-universe, not in our game here, but in Temisseorangelin) would be something of a taboo or something?
Nope, there's only three. The Small, Crappy Saloon, The Smallest, Crappiest Saloon, and some other one that I can't remember the exact level of smallness and crapiness.
So as far is the inns go:
Ooglie(deceased), Fiesta(deceased), Jivvi(deceased), anonymous
Ender, Storm, Jeer, Swate(deceased)
and
77, Coolio, anonymous, anonymous
Not in inns:
Tim, JKangaroo, other people
Not sure what to make of at quite yet, just compiling the list for everyone else ^-^
We're still not getting anywhere fast =S I'm going to throw in my line of thought here, and, if nothing else, people can discuss that.
So starting of Swate, he claimed to be Warden Warren, a town-sided person who can anonymously question and kill someone each night. To me, this sounds like what our vigilante role would have been this game, albeit, a slightly more powerful version. Now there are normally one, maaaaaybe two town-sided killing roles, but we've gotten through this game with one kill every night, so I'm mostly certain that we have (or maybe had from my perspective) one town-sided killing role this game. Swate's uncertainty in this being only his second Mafia game would explain why he never felt safe about killing anyone, and we haven't had anyone else bother to claim any sort of vigilante-like role, and Ooglie's investigations suggests that Swate is innocent.
Buuut there are problems with this view, the first one is that in contradiction to Ooglie's investigations, Digi claims to be innocent, which, if true, would show that Ooglie was an insane cop and Swate was guilty. Then again, there are multiple possible unknowns that could be at work here that may have affected investigations and whatnot, so we can't know for 100% sure. Another problem with this is that Storm also contradicts Swate's claim, and Storm was apparently the only person able to vouch for Swate. This could be storm lying, or maybe Swate got role-blocked by a Pirate role-blocker? We don't know for certain, and I doubt that we'll be able to find anything concrete on this matter.
Now if you look at it overall, Swate seemingly has more claims going against him than for him, but it makes more sense to me that Swate was our over-pressured warden and made these small mistakes that everyone used against him. Admittedly, part of this IS gut instinct, but there is the possibility of this being true. One of the only things that could convince me otherwise is if we had a vigilante-like role claim AND prove themselves, which even then, I'd find it hard to believe another claim like this. (And if there actually IS a vigilante out there, it's almost always better to not claim anyways =S).
From all of this, my deduction says that Ooglie was not insane, and would confirm Digi as guilty, but I would have preferred to not vote until later, but people need to get moving somewhere, and maybe this will help...
Vote Digitalmez
So starting of Swate, he claimed to be Warden Warren, a town-sided person who can anonymously question and kill someone each night. To me, this sounds like what our vigilante role would have been this game, albeit, a slightly more powerful version. Now there are normally one, maaaaaybe two town-sided killing roles, but we've gotten through this game with one kill every night, so I'm mostly certain that we have (or maybe had from my perspective) one town-sided killing role this game. Swate's uncertainty in this being only his second Mafia game would explain why he never felt safe about killing anyone, and we haven't had anyone else bother to claim any sort of vigilante-like role, and Ooglie's investigations suggests that Swate is innocent.
Buuut there are problems with this view, the first one is that in contradiction to Ooglie's investigations, Digi claims to be innocent, which, if true, would show that Ooglie was an insane cop and Swate was guilty. Then again, there are multiple possible unknowns that could be at work here that may have affected investigations and whatnot, so we can't know for 100% sure. Another problem with this is that Storm also contradicts Swate's claim, and Storm was apparently the only person able to vouch for Swate. This could be storm lying, or maybe Swate got role-blocked by a Pirate role-blocker? We don't know for certain, and I doubt that we'll be able to find anything concrete on this matter.
Now if you look at it overall, Swate seemingly has more claims going against him than for him, but it makes more sense to me that Swate was our over-pressured warden and made these small mistakes that everyone used against him. Admittedly, part of this IS gut instinct, but there is the possibility of this being true. One of the only things that could convince me otherwise is if we had a vigilante-like role claim AND prove themselves, which even then, I'd find it hard to believe another claim like this. (And if there actually IS a vigilante out there, it's almost always better to not claim anyways =S).
From all of this, my deduction says that Ooglie was not insane, and would confirm Digi as guilty, but I would have preferred to not vote until later, but people need to get moving somewhere, and maybe this will help...
Vote Digitalmez
Well, I don't know if you noticed, but let's take a look at Digi's claim.
I know someone is going to be upset about me doing this, but it has to be done.
This sounds to me like a vigilante claim. Yes, me pointing it out puts her in danger, but would you rather have her shot or lynched?
It does, however, sound like she has some sort of BP, "My role in some ways makes me invincible," and she has also accounted for the whole "one kill a night because Swate was unsure of himself" ordeal. "Let me reassure you that none of the night kills so far were my doing."
After everything: I'm firm in my belief that Swate was mafia, and just as so in my belief that Digi is town.
I just had an idea. Digi can prove that she has a killing role by simply killing. There is literally no reason a balanced setup would have a mafia kill + another kill. Our serial killer-y role is dead (arsonist), and it's very unlikely that there would be two (in my opinion). That only leaves a town killing role. I already believe her claim, but there are those that are skeptical.
@digitalmez Would you please answer the following questions?
Is your role similar to that of a vigilante?
If the answer to the above is yes, are there any nuances or limits to your abilities, such as penalties for killing someone that isn't anti-town?
If you agree with my plan stated above, who will you kill in order to prove your innocence?
Why that player?
That will be all, please do not feel threatened by any of these questions <3
1. Who do you currently find the most suspicious? And why?
HypeBurst - Bae. I know you like the back of my hand. There's always some theory you're able to concoct that would lead us to Mafia, but in this game I've seen you take on a more composed and defensive game style. I'm incredibly suspicious of you since I know how fierce you are when you're on the town's side. You'd be encouraging people to talk and pushing for point of views or opinions. You're usually the life of the party, and you have been at the beginning of the game but now you're playing the wallflower which seems odd to me. People, believe me when I say that Hype has been playing you guys and the moment I'm lynched, he'll be all out teeth bared and nails sharpened. Prepare yourselves!
JKangaroo - What I fail to understand is why JKangaroo gets overlooked all the time. Why? Often we get to an point where we look to him for advice. He is rational in his explanations and states his opinions with reason, I'll give him that. The thing is, I'm annoyed with how he tends to nitpick at what others have posted, and we rarely get any insight to anything personal about him. With JK, I feel that there's an arrogance and a lot of self control and though most of what he's contributed has without a doubt been helpful, don't forget that he's cunning. If he were Mafia, watch how he'll pick off those who aren't all that active or don't really pay attention to the game.
Samlen - is the Dark Horse. There's a lot of speculative talk from you, and that's great, but you're safe in what you post. You're clever in what you say, so that you don't slip up. I feel that you are an anti-town role, and that once you get a few more townies out of your way, you wouldn't have to worry about slipping up.
This is an overall statement - I'm willing to bet that those who haven't contributed much or the ones that used a lot of 'filler' messages, will remain to the end of the game. It annoys me because why sign-up at all if you're just going to slack off later on?
2. Who are you most likely to think is innocent at this point? Why?
Prizmys that is all.
3. Do you think Swate was town or anti-town?
I don't know? I'd like to think that he was an anti-towner so that the lynch was justified, but honestly I'm uncertain. His behaviour up until his death was scum-like I guess. :/
I'm assuming that if I did say yes to being a similar role to Vigilante, you'd want me to aim my abilities towards someone and if they died it would prove that I'm the town Vigilante? Yet I'm not really claiming the role of Vigilante it comes down to having similar abilities.
If I were to agree with your plan (that I find incredibly flawed) I have to state in front of you and everyone here who I plan to target and why I chose that person, without any proof.
For some reason I feel like this is a set up. If I were to ask YOU which player to target who would you choose?
HypeBurst - Bae. I know you like the back of my hand. There's always some theory you're able to concoct that would lead us to Mafia, but in this game I've seen you take on a more composed and defensive game style. I'm incredibly suspicious of you since I know how fierce you are when you're on the town's side. You'd be encouraging people to talk and pushing for point of views or opinions. You're usually the life of the party, and you have been at the beginning of the game but now you're playing the wallflower which seems odd to me. People, believe me when I say that Hype has been playing you guys and the moment I'm lynched, he'll be all out teeth bared and nails sharpened. Prepare yourselves!
JKangaroo - What I fail to understand is why JKangaroo gets overlooked all the time. Why? Often we get to an point where we look to him for advice. He is rational in his explanations and states his opinions with reason, I'll give him that. The thing is, I'm annoyed with how he tends to nitpick at what others have posted, and we rarely get any insight to anything personal about him. With JK, I feel that there's an arrogance and a lot of self control and though most of what he's contributed has without a doubt been helpful, don't forget that he's cunning. If he were Mafia, watch how he'll pick off those who aren't all that active or don't really pay attention to the game.
Samlen - is the Dark Horse. There's a lot of speculative talk from you, and that's great, but you're safe in what you post. You're clever in what you say, so that you don't slip up. I feel that you are an anti-town role, and that once you get a few more townies out of your way, you wouldn't have to worry about slipping up.
This is an overall statement - I'm willing to bet that those who haven't contributed much or the ones that used a lot of 'filler' messages, will remain to the end of the game. It annoys me because why sign-up at all if you're just going to slack off later on?
2. Who are you most likely to think is innocent at this point? Why?
Prizmys that is all.
3. Do you think Swate was town or anti-town?
I don't know? I'd like to think that he was an anti-towner so that the lynch was justified, but honestly I'm uncertain. His behaviour up until his death was scum-like I guess. :/
Are your questions hypothetical?Timdood3 said:
I'm assuming that if I did say yes to being a similar role to Vigilante, you'd want me to aim my abilities towards someone and if they died it would prove that I'm the town Vigilante? Yet I'm not really claiming the role of Vigilante it comes down to having similar abilities.
If I were to agree with your plan (that I find incredibly flawed) I have to state in front of you and everyone here who I plan to target and why I chose that person, without any proof.
For some reason I feel like this is a set up. If I were to ask YOU which player to target who would you choose?
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