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yes i agree with this but i still feeeel it
+ a theory that doesn't really make sense but it may explain why

cat targetted duffie on night 2 and from night 1 we can gather that the role has some sort of switchy-ability since a tracking report was received on night 1 instead of a watching report. since duffie is a jailer then what if that traveled over and cat ended up roleblocking *and* protecting duffie. the protection may be why there was such a lack of deaths and the roleblock may be why i got that telegraph if caff is the telegrammer. however, this doesn't make sense since i got the 'was not visited' second half meaning that the watching worked as well, but this might be because there was no report to overrule the watching report.
this is an interesting theory
 

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So you're suggesting cat's mafia while ooglie is town?
I think it's a possibility.
But simultaneously....If Cat wasn't the watcher, why would Erik feel the need to claim ghosty thing? I don't know. There's like connections in my head that make sense in my head but don't have words attached to them and the bottom line is that either cat ooglie or erik is mafia.

Very specific I know.
 

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If cat has a changey-role and is town then why just claim straight watcher?
If Erik was soft claiming watcher all game why change (and say he can't choose his targets) when cat claimed watcher? I mean, if he knew all along, why not just say "I cannot choose my targets"? It doesn't require a full claim or anything.
I think ooglie is less likely to be mafia than either of the other two.
 

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I think it's a possibility.
But simultaneously....If Cat wasn't the watcher, why would Erik feel the need to claim ghosty thing? I don't know. There's like connections in my head that make sense in my head but don't have words attached to them and the bottom line is that either cat ooglie or erik is mafia.

Very specific I know.
well erik outed jolt so i don't think he's mafia mafia
miiiiiiiiight be one of those Mkhedrioni though

cat's agreeing with posts claiming "ooglie seems town" while avoiding posting any opinions of her own is annoying, if not suspicious
even raxo had the decency to try to get jolt and notty to explain themselves through vote pressure.
cat has posted literally nothing but her results and clarifications and hasn't had a single fos.

town is supposed to scumhunt, not lurk and post reports.
iirc cat isn't good at playing scum but ooglie and duffie might be better at recognizing her town/scumtells.

i still firmly believe ooglie's role is designed to be anti-town.


that having been said, i strongly suspect most, if not all investigative roles have drawbacks or modifiers of some sort to nerf them.
this would explain erik's inability to choose a target and tim/notty/etc's gimmicks.
 

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If cat has a changey-role and is town then why just claim straight watcher?
If Erik was soft claiming watcher all game why change (and say he can't choose his targets) when cat claimed watcher? I mean, if he knew all along, why not just say "I cannot choose my targets"? It doesn't require a full claim or anything.
I think ooglie is less likely to be mafia than either of the other two.
The reason I didn't want to mention I couldn't choose who I track was because of the fact that we had so many town PR claims day 1. I wanted to look like more of a threat to the mafia so that night 1 they'd (hopefully) ignored most of the other PR's and target me. Although this sounds suicidal and dumb I knew that I'd probably get a protective role of some sort save me or (once more hopefully although it's extremely improbable) have that old ghost flavour text be some hidden ability where I like come back alive after some time or have like a bulletproof vest. The ghost thing seems to only be flavour right now but I'm not sure if it actually is since it seems like an odd way to describe a watcher who doesn't get to pick who he visits. (A little sidetracking here) if we assume notty is a corrupt cop who gets the reports the opposite way (I think it's called insane?) then wouldn't that mean that Aqua is actually mafia alongside myu being town? If so then I think that we should take a look at who's voting myu. Those would most probably be a majority of the mafia faction
 

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if we assume notty is a corrupt cop who gets the reports the opposite way (I think it's called insane?) then wouldn't that mean that Aqua is actually mafia alongside myu being town?
You're a bit confused.
Notty's investigations:
N1 - 77 - blocked
N2 - myu - Not Innocent

My investigations:
N1- Hunter - Innocent
N2 - Aqua - Innocent

Notty's not the one taking bribes (that we know of), that'd be me. And the running theory is that it causes my investigations to come up as all innocent (naive modifier) until the godfather (or the one bribing me) dies.
 

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Wait ya if you can only use it when lynched then we should kill you today and then mafia can't kill you at night and make you useless. I say we make this kinda last resort though if we get a deadline since you could just shoot another townie which would be no good
Well don't lynch me too soon - there are too high chances I may take town instead of mafia with me :p
 

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Well don't lynch me too soon - there are too high chances I may take town instead of mafia with me :p
This....almost sounds like a threat.....
But then again I just dealt with some shit and a few very angry people....
Two of which left a community outright because of what happened....
So I guess anything could sound like a threat to me at this point....
 

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This....almost sounds like a threat.....
But then again I just dealt with some shit and a few very angry people....
Two of which left a community outright because of what happened....
So I guess anything could sound like a threat to me at this point....
Yea, I'm just being realistic with my chances - there is much more townies than mafia.
 

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Regarding the whole 'cat being a journalist' thing, how would that work with the fact that she claimed to have a bag of potatoes and then lost them the night after? Surely if she were journalist the potatoes she encountered were not hers (or am I misunderstanding the journalist role?) and so how would whoever took them know who to take them from other than if they were cat's?
 

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But she said her bag was stolen last night so she seems to claim ownership of them.

Also is anyone else suddenly super suspicious of caff now? Just with the whole probably a telegrapher thing (which seems like a bit of an odd town role, probably more a mafia/third party thing?) and the fact that only Sam died and she was jailed (Sam could have easily died by the doc or something) makes me highly suspicious of her. That and my gut. I don't want to sit here pointing fingers but I have a bad feeling about caff's allegance... Apologies if that's completely wrong though. Of course the reason for a lack of deaths could be that mafia targeted caff and duffie saved them but I can't think of a reason why she'd be targeted. Idk, I just wanted to see if I was the only one feeling this way. \o/
 

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erik strikes me as a third party kind of deal because his role doesn't seem to have enough of an explicit purpose to be town or mafia, he's got this obscure dealio and probably has a matching obscure objective.
Shall we assume I am for two moments and look at the circumstances. First of all a third party watcher would have a ridiculous win condition. Second of all if I was third party why would I put a target on my back by claiming day 1 for the benefit of the town? And why would I full claim day 2? It makes non sense from a third party point of view.There would be no reason for me to share any of this info unless it was for my benefit as a third party. I could stick back and barely contribute like scum instead of trying to get somewhere. I mean let's be honest, the only reason it sounds third party is because of the ghost thing. Now let's go back to real life where I AM a town PR and we have to deal with our lynch. I say we lynch raxo since otherwise maf could kill him at night and he'd be a little useless :/. As far as who to shoot, I say you either shoot ooglie or someone voting for myu since they seem kids scummy and mafia like
 

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or we could not do that. save it for a lylo if jivvi's not alive.

catgirl12466 do i actually need to list

On night 1, there were gaps in the words.

On night 2, there were no gaps but any remotely useful info I could have gained had a big 'ol [CENSORED] on it.

Ooglie seems to imply he got the same messed up reports I did, so I have to wonder...
Everything useful was censored? So the entirety of your report was "Duffie [CENSORED]" and supposedly ooglie took the rest.

So, again, this is an anti-town role. I hypothesize that repeatedly censoring a certain player increases the effectiveness of censoring, starting with snipping bits of the report and the next night flatly redacting all useful information. A third night would likely result in the entire report being unreadable.

So, Jivvi, what's your role's real name?

Watermelon1388 Notme JKangaroo Aqua Mastersten Infected_alien8_ Are any of you blues? (regular powerless villagers)

Infected, are you Vissarion?
Timdood3 who did you visit N1 and N2?
Cat agreed with this and another post of mine on Friday claiming ooglie's role was evidently anti-town.

Well I'm Egor Kuznetzov, and I'm literally just town Watcher. There's no special "getting the reports of my watches" thing going on. The "something" is a 6 letter verb ending in -ed. Good luck figuring that one out. I tried looking up a list of them and gave up when I realized that's probably half the verbs in the English language. I think we'd have to ask Ooglie for that one.

As for Erik, he never did claim watcher, did he? Everybody just kinda assumed. Unless I missed something somewhere. Either way, it's probably irrelevant given the police stuff so far.

Also... Ooglie, you're only getting the gaps in my messages?
Ooglie claimed to receive the entire second half of her Duffie report, so he should be able to see the gaps in the first one.

I'm honestly pro ooglie atm, his censorship of catgirl night one which may/may not of revealed a killer is completely coincidental because he wouldn't know not to censor her, likewise night 2, I'm still not sure about this whole potato thing, but the fact that catgirl was lurking for most of day 1 and whatever this potato thing is, makes it reasonable that ooglie would want to censor her again just incase.

Ooglie101 the potato thing is one of the things I REALLY don't understand in this game, since you like making images, could you make one explaining it and everyones roles including samlen etc. thank you.
Later, on Saturday, cat agrees with Aqua's post about being pro-ooglie and another post I haven't quoted from Duffie holding the same sentiment.

Based on post ratings, Cat's unstated opinions are flipping from one side to the other regarding Ooglie's alignment.
In addition, she hasn't contested or confirmed the journalism speculation regarding her role.

Cat needs to state her own viewpoint instead of lurking silently.
 

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Votecount - Now counting votes made in places where your votes don't really count for much, colored pink for aesthetic pleasure!

Ooglie101 (5/9) - Hunter, Myusername22, Jivvi, Erik5456, Timdood3
Myusername22 (3/9) - Aqua, Notme, 77thShad
77thShad (2/9) - Mastersten, Nottykitten

Infected_Alien8 (1/?) - Notme
 

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Votecount - Now counting votes made in places where your votes don't really count for much, colored pink for aesthetic pleasure!

Ooglie101 (5/9) - Hunter, Myusername22, Jivvi, Erik5456, Timdood3
Myusername22 (3/9) - Aqua, Notme, 77thShad
77thShad (2/9) - Mastersten, Nottykitten

Infected_Alien8 (1/?) - Notme
It was reference to mafia, not actual vote for mafia, Enderpfive.
 

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vote to enable 36hour deadline

suggestion: could we have a system in place for players wanting the day to end earlier/later than usual?

for example if there's a deadline in place but 25% of active players wish it to be lengthened we could get a one-time 2-day extension
likewise, if half of total players want the day to end early, a day or two deadline could be instated
 
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