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JKangaroo

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Timdood3 said:
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Yay, at least one person believes in me. <3
Hunter said:
hey genius
1. these posts are too long jesus christ
2. if you knew you weren't gonna die then why visit anyone. the virgin got lynched
3. there is literally nothing wrong with my plan
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when it's literally confirmed you're (jk) not a good person
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1) Not a point, Tl;dr isn't an excuse. I mean it isn't even one of my longer posts! It's a post in my defense and the least could be done have it read it over. :/
2) What?
3) Since I know I'm not anti-town (and I also have no clue how it's "confirmed" that I'm not a "good person" when that could easily be said for many players), I do think there is something wrong with your plan, that is, if the plan you are talking about is the one you re-quoted that's at the end of page 93.
Why? Because again, I'm going from the fact/reasoning that I am not scum, and shouldn't be lynched because of the flawed reasoning behind it, all despite me being very open about what I've been doing. Add to the fact that we do not know how many anti-town are left, and making a plan for players that may be suspect in their alignment and going off of information provided that may not even be true feels like poor decision making that could be played around if scum were smart/had the ability to.

I admit, there is nothing wrong with it on paper, but even though something looks good on paper doesn't necessarily mean it translates to actions.
Hunter said:
again tl;dr

but if you have potatoes and poison people you need to use potatoes??? to poison people???

???????????????


plus this is fricking stupid you're clearly scum and a poisoner qed lynch
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See points 1 and 2.
 
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One quick post just to clarify something's and try and get the game moving before I sleep.
Tim I've been providing everyone with all my findings and outed jolt who was a mafia as an early lynch. I don't get how you say you're not sure where I stand when I'm basically confirmed townie. You may be saying that I could be third party but I don't think third party watchers exist nor should they. In the simplest word possible, I am a watcher randomly picks someone to watch.
Aside from that, I say we push for a 77 lynch since we have tons of info showing he's lying and could possibly be dangerous or at the very least 3rd party and it would help us move along. Not saying aqua isn't suspicious and jk doesn't seem fishy but I feel like we should double check the Tim naivety gonna theory through him investigating another person. Plus, jk has been town telling all game and if someone else is poisoned who seems to be town, then we lynch him tommorow
And as such
Vote 77thshad
 
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Furthermore, jkang has literally fricking admitted to poisoning me and has absolutely nothing supporting his claim to being townie.

I come up with a flawless plan to secure town's victory and this is how I'm treated? By being cast aside while naive citizens foolishly defend a blatant scum, disregarding the only fucking proven townie in the entire game.

Stop the 77 bandwagon and lynch the poisoner.
 
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Caff are you actually serious

Jkang has
  • shown in cat's n1 report (scrambled by oog)
  • been shown by cat to have visited me
  • confirmed to poisoned me
  • scum
  • scum
  • has no useful townsided ability
  • is forced to visit/poison a player every night by his own claim
  • scum
  • poisoned me to death
caff you do realize you are literally defending a delayed sk

meanwhile 77 who needs to claim his action only has cat in his inn and if his win condition is correct then he's by default forced to stay townsided
 
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Hunter said:
upon reflection, myu, you should definitely 100% doc cat forever
and she should watch you, too

this keeps both of you alive unless someone attacks myu, in which case cat knows the killer
and there would be nothing that could possibly screw this up bar jkang, since his poison isn't prevented by kill protection, as seen by jivvi's failure to protect my health

if 77 attempted to swap cat with anyone to negate the protection, he'd die courtesy of myu
if 77 attempted to swap myu with anyone to negate the watching, we'd know he's a scum and lynch him the very next day

the only things that could screw this up are the pair wifoming this and attempting to investigate/save others to get useful reports and someone calling their bluff

other thing would be if cat is somehow scum, and she was the one to poison me??? but she's towntold the whole game and that would be a complete betrayal of trust, plus jkang admitted to doing stuff with the potatoes before i even mentioned the poisoning. this is quite unlikely.

in conclusion, lynch jkang. if he was miraculously isn't scum, doc tim and investigate cat, and carry on from there
if jkang flips scum definitely do the myu/cat thing and investigate caff/mastersten, as they're the two big unknowns. if 77 does anything to screw us up, lynch 'im.
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CaffeinatedKitty do you see this
CaffeinatedKitty do you see any flaws in this
CaffeinatedKitty do you realize we're on track to autowin if this is followed
CaffeinatedKitty do you realize not lynching jkang screws up this course of action
CaffeinatedKitty do you realize if jkang flips town then cat is potentially scum

erik5456 read this too
 
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erik5456 said:
Tim I've been providing everyone with all my findings and outed jolt who was a mafia as an early lynch. I don't get how you say you're not sure where I stand when I'm basically confirmed townie.
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Because I don't pay attention.
I didn't say we were or weren't town, I said I didn't know. Again because I don't pay attention.

I'm going to sleep.
I have some serious irl shit going on and am in no state of mind to be playing mafia with any semblance of tact or grace.
 
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JKangaroo said:
Plus, if I was really scum and knew about this whole poisoning business, why exactly would I want to kill you? Of all people? If you are really a vanilla templar as you said you are (and I generally believe, there's has literally been no reason to indicate otherwise), killing you is ultimately a pointless endeavor. You don't have any special powers, and if I was scum out to win I would be trying to target important roles that would severely hurt me, like tim or erik who investigates, myuser, or etc. (except I don't think erik can die according to that one statement he made about being a ghost): people who have actively powerful night roles.
I frankly, would like a motive, because I have one which I've already stated: to find potatoes to eat.
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of course you'd have targeted me. as cat stated i was the most likely to die, partially by merit of being the only confirmed townie
you'd know sending a doc to save me would risk other prs, etc
 
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Hunter said:
notice how jkang only started to forage for food after samlen, the POTATO FARMER, died

and he POISONED ME with a potato


hmm i WONDER what could POSSIBLY be going on here it's not like JKANG is somehow a McMafia and killing him will end the group entirely thus saving us yet another nightkill
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And what if you're wrong and he isnt scum?
 
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JKangaroo said:
I stopped receiving alerts, but it turns out I just wasn't logged in, woops. Please stop forgetting my information forums, thank you. <3
...But I guess there hasn't been a lot of activity so I guess it doesn't really matter.

Anyways,

I don't think anyone's been... denying that all? It hasn't been if I was the poisoner, since we already seem to know that I was the only one who visited you, it's just the manner in which you were poisoned, since the knowledge I have of my role abilities after it was changed is that I go around each night stealing potatoes to sustain myself since I no longer can afford food from the telegramming job. I still have no clue of how the poisoning happened unless it has been something hidden in my role that I am not told about, or the only other thing I can think of being possibly stealing those lethal potatoes at some point, probably from Water (since it seems my action was bussed that night), or 77 (if that bus claim is a lie).
That or I'll be told what's going on tonight if I live. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don't think it's that far-fetched.
I've been pretty much truthful of all my actions each night, even talking about the potato-ness change before the poisoning even came up, as you have already stated, and most of my actions have been clear/made sense I believe. For general "defense" talking points, for the most part I've been trying to push for people who seem to be anti-town, or bringing up ideas to bring things to light or possibilities, and just generally being transparent.
And since I know I'm not anti-town, I know I'm not essentially a "sk." I don't think just being an (apparently new) killing role now makes me automatically scum.

Plus, if I was really scum and knew about this whole poisoning business, why exactly would I want to kill you? Of all people? If you are really a vanilla templar as you said you are (and I generally believe, there's has literally been no reason to indicate otherwise), killing you is ultimately a pointless endeavor. You don't have any special powers, and if I was scum out to win I would be trying to target important roles that would severely hurt me, like tim or erik who investigates, myuser, or etc. (except I don't think erik can die according to that one statement he made about being a ghost): people who have actively powerful night roles.
I frankly, would like a motive, because I have one which I've already stated: to find potatoes to eat.

Anyways, since I know I'm good, I'll continue talking from that basis, and try to put forward a line of thinking which I think makes more sense.

I think we have 2 good leads for scum this day: Aqua, and 77; Aqua, because of tim's investigation, and 77 because of both Caff's (still debatable) claim of 77 being able to kill, and the fact that his claim did not quite line up, as was established yesterday, and should probably be explored upon today (if 77 even replies).
Those should be our lynching targets today.

Tim, since it seems whatever was happening to his role has been fixed, should either investigate me (if there are still suspicions), or continue what he did with Aqua and revisit people he has already investigated to try and reconfirm if his role was really naive'd for the past 3 days; specifically myuser since it seems like 1)Hunter is probably going to die tonight, who was the other investigation, and 2)I still think Notty's investigation holds some water, though that's more of a personal belief since I kind of think Notty's town based on how she's played and that theory I had a bit ago; that and the investigation came up with 77 being not innocent as well, which is the same wording that tim got.

...Or he can just do what he think is the best course of action, which would be completely fair, since why should we dictate what certain power roles should do?

Myself, if I live, and if I still poison (and hopefully learn why I poisoned hunter tonight), could probably put pressure on, and eventually kill off people we think are suspicious. And hey, if they don't have potato's in the process of my visit, then I'll essentially die off anyways, since it's implied I die if I don't have any food (since again, I seem to be on some kind of personal famine mechanic.)
Win-win for everybody except for the antitowners.

and *shrug.* I think that's about all I have to say.
I think I'm innocent, so whether or not you believe me or not thats up to you really.
I think we should be trying to get information out of people more suspicious than me, and trying to continue to weed out antitown, who are probably still heavily around (we've only gotten 3, no 4 antitowns if we include Vatu, out of 22 of us! Or... 5 if Notty turns out 3rd party or scum but we can't tell because of that censor)

Now I'm going to go back to playing Endless Legend, and eating some valentine's day chocolate. Good day. o/
Also if anyone wants to join me, it's a really cool Civilization-esq game. I'd love to play with others sometime if anyone buys it. o 3o
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1) putting myself in the shoes of the mafia, I could understand killing Hunter, although his role would be no threat, he is most definitely the most active and valuable contributor to the mafia thread than anyone.

2)With your role, if what you say is true, could it be that whoever you steal potatoes from will die, not of poison but of starvation?
 
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