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so seriously guys, after cat literally confirmed jkang as poisoner, you're not lynching him? really?

I'd understand the hesitancy if I wasn't proven town along with cat, but jkang hasn't contributed much besides the occasional long post of conspiracy theories, which happens to be the strategy he used to survive so long in TBD. Making long posts is not a town tell.

You're basically saying you don't believe me or cat by avoiding this lynch. 77 can't do anything without blowing his cover. Don't waste her report.
 

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I don't know how many votes are him him, but I voted JK because Hunter's logic is infallible as far as I can see.
If JK doesn't have the ability to poison, then cat is suspect and myu will be on me.
My only concern that if he does have the ability, but it doesn't show when he flips, we're all kinds of fucked up.
iirc mastersten caff and jkang are voting 77 while you me and myu are voting jkang so it's three for three
 

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Anyways, now that I'm actually awake and out of class... can I have actual answers to some of my questions instead of them just being sidelined? I rather have an actual, rational debate here than just going out spewing words and having posts not be read, as I feel Hunter is currently doing.
Furthermore, jkang has literally fricking admitted to poisoning me and has absolutely nothing supporting his claim to being townie.
You keep spouting this, but I haven't admitted anything. All I've done is agreed that it could have been me, as claims so far have been that no else has visited you. As I've stated before, I still have no idea how I poisoned you (and why would someone even get a message they were poisoned? Isn't the point of poison... is to be sneaky? It almost seems counter-intuitive ability). Despite that I personally would like to know how that happened, since to me its unexpected.
I also still want to know if 77 got a "poison" message when I visited him to steal potatoes, since if I willing knew that my night action involved poison, then he should have gotten a message similar to yours.
Jkang has
  • shown in cat's n1 report (scrambled by oog)
  • been shown by cat to have visited me
  • confirmed to poisoned me
  • scum
  • scum
  • has no useful townsided ability
  • is forced to visit/poison a player every night by his own claim
  • scum
  • poisoned me to death
Again, maybe lay out some clear reasons than spouting random bullet points over and over again that aren't actually good arguments.
-For starters, what does cat's n1 report even need bringing up again? I don't see the relevance. All that does is prove that Ender tracked me that night, which iirc was what cat's report ended up being. It doesn't really
-Again, I haven't "confirmed" anything, because I don't think I can, when I don't even know what's going on. I can only state what's likely.
-Repeating scum doesn't really... mean anything.

I do think your logic is flawed and you're too blinded to see any of the other actual possibilities, without even answering any of the questions being asked.
I'll repeat again that I don't know why you were poisoned, and I'm curious as to how it happened, and also why there has never been mentions of other people getting "poisoned" until now despite there being a poisoner previously.
As my new role action states, I just need to steal food to survive, or else I go hungry. There has yet to be an explanation as to why my role shifted, and the only explanation I can think of is that it's because I revealed my telegram role powers, and so I was cut/fired from the job by having no more messages sent to me by whoever was the other person behind the telegraph.

I am not anti-town, and have yet to do anything anti-town for this entire game, and I'll refuse to back down while the town is simply brushing off discussion on people who are very likely to be anti-town.
I still think 77 is the best possibility; we have an investigation showing he can kill, and a very clear/possible example of a role being lied about with his potato railroad... twice if we want to stretch it with the attempt to get Myuser lynched and we subscribe to the belief that myuser is innocent.
And unless he actually gives some answers, then I'll most likely vote for him in a days time. I think 6 days since this day session began is enough to expect an answer, or at least a reply to the thread.

*sigh* Jeeze, now I understand what Digi went through when we lynched her even though she ended up being a townie despite her role as vampire back in Masq.
...Also Jean Valjean with all the food business. "I just stole a loaf of bread!"
 

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You keep spouting this, but I haven't admitted anything. All I've done is agreed that it could have been me, as claims so far have been that no else has visited you. As I've stated before, I still have no idea how I poisoned you (and why would someone even get a message they were poisoned? Isn't the point of poison... is to be sneaky?
https://epicmafia.com/role/203
There has yet to be an explanation as to why my role shifted, and the only explanation I can think of is that it's because I revealed my telegram role powers, and so I was cut/fired from the job by having no more messages sent to me by whoever was the other person behind the telegraph.
bloop
notice how jkang only started to forage for food after samlen, the POTATO FARMER, died
tbh I think 77 might have just been bad at explaining his role as his actions so far fit in with his win condition of keeping inn members alive
on the other hand bussers are annoying af + he hasn't been clear with much of anything

either way jkang's the best lynch as my plan is evidently without flaw as tim pointed out
 

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no aqua it's literally poison by eating a bad potato

like i actually know the cause
Sorry, for some reason I wasn't getting mafia alerts :/

Well that settles it, if Jkangaroo's role was stealing potatoes and stole from hunter, and hunters been poisoned by potatoes, the two factors don't add up

vote jkangaroo
 

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Has no one read anything I've said?
Can we at least have some measure of discussion and questions answered since I've hardly had any response since this town is practically dead in activity, or at least dead for lengthy periods of time? Isn't that how this game is supposed to be played/defenses usually made?
No? No? Oh well.

It's been 6 days since the day started, at 77 has yet to respond. Because of the evidence against him, which I feel has more concrete evidence than what is currently against me (again, can we have an actual discussion than simple silence), and the fact that 6 days feels ample of enough time to respond, though he has claimed "third party" despite the role being contradictory, it is a smart move since it let's him not die in favour of the current lynching target(me) or give out more information since he's already on the watch-list for scum and keeps the heat away from him, which I feel he is doing currently.
...And because of that I'm going to vote for him, like I said I would, because I feel he is the most suspicious and likely to be scum

Hopefully we can have some actual discussion instead of sitting on our hands waiting for something to happen.

Vote 77

*sigh*
I've even been dropping hints since the start of the game. I was hoping someone would've picked up on them by now, but I see I'm left to be disappointed. Very disappointed. Hopefully someone tries to figure it out. If not, I'll respond later after classes are over.
 

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JK, my main reason for voting for you is this: Even if you are town and unknowingly killing people, lynching you prevents a death, while lynching 77 doesn't necessarily, as he may have more scum buddies that can kill with our without him.
Yes, but with two mafia groups, it's doubtful that either of them have more than four members max. If we assume he's part of the "main" mafia, that ensures that, with two already dead, his death will probably be the end of that group, saving someone's life, whereas JKang's won't necessarily. After all, he did say he visited 77 as well- several times, in fact- and even if he's lying about his target, it's still quite obvious that no one else was poisoned- or at least didn't say anything about it for whatever reason, which is extremely unlikely. It's quite possible imo that it's a randomly triggered side effect of sorts.
There's also, I suppose, the possibility of a ninja role of some sort- though unlikely, because of the setting(but there was Jivvi, who was also a little out of place imo)- attacking Hunter, knowing a watcher wouldn't see them.

And, as said, 77 has been far more suspect for the entirety of the game--for instance, his claim directly contradicted myuser's, who in general seems more trustworthy, and doesn't really have much to back it up with. And there's no proof of any of his actions, iirc, unlike JKang--people can vouch for the fact that they received telegrams, along with the fact that ever since he claimed his role got switched(and even before), no one has received one.
 

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whereas JKang's won't necessarily. After all, he did say he visited 77 as well- several times, in fact- and even if he's lying about his target, it's still quite obvious that no one else was poisoned- or at least didn't say anything about it for whatever reason, which is extremely unlikely.
The thing about this is that the night JK targeted 77, he switched himself with Watermelon. Watermelon proceeded to die that night and couldn't've tell us he was poisoned.
 

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JK, my main reason for voting for you is this: Even if you are town and unknowingly killing people, lynching you prevents a death, while lynching 77 doesn't necessarily, as he may have more scum buddies that can kill with our without him.
Again, not necessarily, in fact all it does is make the town weaker, and more susceptible to getting overwhelmed by other factions, since we don't know how many are left, and how much damage they can do.
Effectively, If the poisoning is true, without my knowledge of it, then I'm essentially what I was last game: a vigilante that dies if I make the wrong target (last game scum, this time, a player who has potatoes.)
I'm not against the town, and I've played entirely in favour of the town. My only goal is survival right now.
I made a suggestion a little while ago that was, if I target a player (with the advice and consent of the town), whom we heavily or at least slightly think it likely to be anti-town, then a visit from me, and potential poisoning (since I dont know how it works yet, and I doubt we even will if I die since my role still effectively is "Telegram Operator" even if it changed partway through), then 1) you can put pressure on them to get more information, 2) If they are scum, then essentially there's a free kill that can clear up a lynch for people that are likely to be scum to get lynched upon, and 3) If they dont have a potato bucket, which is my goal each night, then I essentially die. So basically, if you dont trust me, I'll probably die anyways since I've only tried targeting people who's stories were likely to have that bucket. That's the entire point of my current ability.

Plus, 77 claims to be a busser with a contradictory win condition, as has already been pointed out, and has yet to defend that. Bussing, as we have seen in numerous games, is extremely unpredictable, and dangerous, especially if he is scum, as we heavily believe he is to be, and if he does have the ability to kill, if Caff's claim is true, then it just gives another round of kills to a player who isn't town friendly, as we have seen multiple times with 77's actions.

I still think you're making a silly mistake on conjecture, rather than actual possibilities.
The thing about this is that the night JK targeted 77, he switched himself with Watermelon. Watermelon proceeded to die that night and couldn't've tell us he was poisoned.
But what about Samlen? We know from his death that he was a potato poisoner prior, and according to Hunter, this seems to be similar, since he was a "potato poisoner" and according to Hunter he's dying by a poisoned potato.
Though we don't really know who Sam targeted, and I doubt we will until the game ends and Priz releases all of the night actions/whatever, but I'm still wondering if anyone else ever got that message, since I feel, like if this were the case, we'd have learned about this days ago because of that.

PS: picked up on any of the hints? No? Did no one care? *sigh*
PPS: maybe next time (like yesterday) could have deadlines 2 days in advance? Deadlines turns inactivity into activity, which is good, but single day deadlines when some players not even see it feels like it doesn't give enough warning time for that activity to start up. Or maybe that's just me since i don't remember 1 day deadlines happening before. x)
 

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I made a suggestion a little while ago that was, if I target a player (with the advice and consent of the town), whom we heavily or at least slightly think it likely to be anti-town, then a visit from me, and potential poisoning (since I dont know how it works yet, and I doubt we even will if I die since my role still effectively is "Telegram Operator" even if it changed partway through), then 1) you can put pressure on them to get more information, 2) If they are scum, then essentially there's a free kill that can clear up a lynch for people that are likely to be scum to get lynched upon, and 3) If they dont have a potato bucket, which is my goal each night, then I essentially die. So basically, if you dont trust me, I'll probably die anyways since I've only tried targeting people who's stories were likely to have that bucket. That's the entire point of my current ability.
I don't remember seeing you suggest this.
PS: picked up on any of the hints? No? Did no one care? *sigh*
I've been through a lot in the past week. I would like to know what you're getting at if you'd share though.


I'm switching my vote, despite it making me look flip floppy/indecisive. In my mind, it's worse to look indecisive than to stick with a bad/dangerous vote.

Unvote
Vote 77thShad


I don't know what's right anymore. I'm going with the player that is likely to be mafia than the one that is potentially a liability.
 

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I don't remember seeing you suggest this.
Was 2 pages ago, pg 93, in a shorter paragraph+whatever else I said in that post:
Myself, if I live, and if I still poison (and hopefully learn why I poisoned hunter tonight), could probably put pressure on, and eventually kill off people we think are suspicious. And hey, if they don't have potato's in the process of my visit, then I'll essentially die off anyways, since it's implied I die if I don't have any food (since again, I seem to be on some kind of personal famine mechanic.)
Win-win for everybody except for the antitowners.
I've been through a lot in the past week. I would like to know what you're getting at if you'd share though.
Yeah, sure. Sorry.
Let me compile some quotes and write something out.
 

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I don't remember seeing you suggest this.

I've been through a lot in the past week. I would like to know what you're getting at if you'd share though.


I'm switching my vote, despite it making me look flip floppy/indecisive. In my mind, it's worse to look indecisive than to stick with a bad/dangerous vote.

Unvote
Vote 77thShad


I don't know what's right anymore. I'm going with the player that is likely to be mafia than the one that is potentially a liability.
what happened to my plan being literally flawless
also jkang 1. that isn't actually a hint that was what you'd "claimed" earlier 2. myu, don't doc tim if the 77 lynch goes through even though it shouldn't as cat and 77 should vote for jkang + tim has never been proven town but there's not really anything saying he's maf either

also, guys, especially tim: 77 hasn't posted in literally a week. he's likely going to get modkilled if this keeps up, so why not lynch jkang, which is literally a flawless plan, and have 77 get himself booted if this keeps up

2 scum for the price of one
 
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