Tavern Arcana - Mafia Win

[Nottykitten]

Eh, might as well try to confirm it. This also stops scum from saying they are vanilla when they are in fact, not, later in the game.
If there is a vanilla townie in the game, please come forward and say it. A vanilla townie claiming won't be detrimental to us as they have no ability and this is very early game.

If we're going to do this, we should do it tomorrow. There is no benefit to a vanilla townie to outing right now, if anything it gives the Mafia less targets of who the actual PR's are. I'd rather have this vanilla townie not claim and be a target during n1 so they could die instead of a PR.

I didn't just claim a PR though, I said I have an ability.
Maybe in your mind, you equaled that to being a PR as you are looking out for town PRs to potentially kill tonight (only half joking).

Goddamnit, now you guys have made me paranoid and I wonder if I should claim my ability just to dispel any notion that I might in fact be a PR.

Having an ability = being a PR (power role)

 

[Iggish]

If you have an ability does that not equal PR, cus in my head it does

IMO Power Roles are only stuff like the Doctor, Cop, Blocker, Bodyguard etc, someone with a useful, practical ability that is usually used in the night.

 

[Enderfive]

IMO Power Roles are only stuff like the Doctor, Cop, Blocker, Bodyguard etc, someone with a useful, practical ability that is usually used in the night.

any role that is not vanilla townie/goon is a pr

this is common knowledge

 

[Iggish]

If we're going to do this, we should do it tomorrow. There is no benefit to a vanilla townie to outing right now, if anything it gives the Mafia less targets of who the actual PR's are. I'd rather have this vanilla townie not claim and be a target during n1 so they could die instead of a PR.

Well it gives us info as to whether there are vanilla townies in the game or not. This gives us a heads up of what to expect tonight in terms of actions. It also means that scum can't claim vanilla town later in the game so they can't be counter claimed.

 

[Enderfive]

actually no let me corret myself

any role with an active ability is a power role

 

[Iggish]

Also in a game of 23 people, with probably at least 14 townies, lessening the pool by one doesn't see to be a bad idea if it gives us useful information and potentially takes away a safety net for the mafia in the future.

 

[Iggish]

actually no let me corret myself

any role with an active ability is a power role

But surely a Power Role would have in fact, a powerful ability? Not the crap which I have.

 

[Enderfive]

Also in a game of 23 people, with probably at least 14 townies, lessening the pool by one doesn't see to be a bad idea if it gives us useful information and potentially takes away a safety net for the mafia in the future.

considering everyone who claims vanilla right now to be proven townie s a horrible idea if that's what you're saying

 

[Enderfive]

But surely a Power Role would have in fact, a powerful ability? Not the crap which I have.

if you have aan ability, in other words, a power, you're a power role

 

[Iggish]

considering everyone who claims vanilla right now to be proven townie s a horrible idea if that's what you're saying

Well no, it doesn't guarantee that they are town. A vanilla townie claim could easily be a mafia who wants to keep the safety net for later. However, this is extremely risky for them as it puts them in the spotlight early game, and their card could contradict the role later on (For example, the Devil saying that they are vanilla townie would be very suspicious). And then if they pick another card, they get counter claimed.
Either way, we get valuable information.

 

[Iggish]

if you have aan ability, in other words, a power, you're a power role

Oh alright.

 

[Iggish]

And then if they pick another card

*to not seem suspicious and scummy, they get counterclaimed. If that makes sense.

 

[hipmeow]

Either way, we get valuable information.

so does mafia

 

[Aqua]

I'm getting bad vibes from inf, normally he'll give a wide amount of attention to as much dumb bullshit as possible which he did to start with, however like I stated before he seemed to ignore me when I did some intentionally suspicious things as a test and is now not being as proactive as he normally is.

I feel a good ol inf lynch is in order, what do you say chums?

 

[Nottykitten]

Well no, it doesn't guarantee that they are town. A vanilla townie claim could easily be a mafia who wants to keep the safety net for later. However, this is extremely risky for them as it puts them in the spotlight early game, and their card could contradict the role later on (For example, the Devil saying that they are vanilla townie would be very suspicious). And then if they pick another card, they get counter claimed.
Either way, we get valuable information.

That information is worth nothing today or tonight when people choose actions. There is no benefit to doing it today instead of tomorrow, only downsides of the Mafia having a smaller pool of people to murder who could be cop/doctor.

 

[Iggish]

That information is worth nothing today or tonight when people choose actions. There is no benefit to doing it today instead of tomorrow, only downsides of the Mafia having a smaller pool of people to murder who could be cop/doctor.

Eh, I don't know. It would be nice to know now but I guess we can hold off till tomorrow.

 

[Aqua]

Infected_alien8_ What card are you, just for personal reference in accordance to your pairings?

 

[Fog]

I mean normally I feel like a lunch day 0 would be a positive thing because it means that there is more information given in the game, however, with there being a tarot card with the name ‘THE FOOL’ I am just cautious of throwing a vote on somebody and losing the game straight away...but with so many players alive rn the chance that we choose the fool is less likely but would still be unfortunate.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Aqua why are you trying to get me to claim my card

You behaved in a dumb way, that doesn't exactly ring alarm bells for me in terms of your allignment

Iggish I don't really see the point in getting vanillas to claim right now.

At the end of the day, jolt/arelic chose this theme, probably because they had an idea for how it could fit nicely as a design. The Mafia cards are likely the cards which would most fit bein Mafia cards. In other words, even if the cards aren't "inherently bad", if this game is designed to fit the theme and no just be random cards which seems pointless, then the Mafia will be among the more evil cards.

The Mafia will of course want to dispel this notion as soon as possible and may even claim their role to try to disprove it by showing they have nothing to hide, cough

Notty's vibing scum to me a lot this game.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I mean normally I feel like a lunch day 0 would be a positive thing because it means that there is more information given in the game, however, with there being a tarot card with the name ‘THE FOOL’ I am just cautious of throwing a vote on somebody and losing the game straight away...but with so many players alive rn the chance that we choose the fool is less likely but would still be unfortunate.

Who cares if the fool wins, it's not likely it's gonna end the game

 

[Iggish]

I don't really see the point in getting vanillas to claim right now.

Only one vanilla townie, to see if vanillas do in fact, exist in the game.

 

[Roobarb Pie]

That's a lie Jaffa cakes are great and anyone who disagrees is WRONG

Infected just proved himself in my eyes.

INFECTED FOR LEADER 2018.

 

[erik5456]

Massclaim is bad idea I feel. What's stopping a mafia card from going "oh yeah my role is not what my card seems to be" and then us still needing to just go for a shot in the dark while the mafia now knows the other cards and then they'll have a higher chance of hitting strong PR roles.
Also,

Who cares if the fool wins, it's not likely it's gonna end the game

Alright again I've said this in another game, I'll say it again. Since when are we ok with just handing another person/team the win???? Like one of the biggest parts of mafia (to me it seems) is you're either with us or against us. And I don' think anyone should want someone who's not on their team to win.

So this plus some aforementioned weird behaviour makes me really want to understand what you're doing here Inf. Also the Massclaim idea which seems like a very extra thing to do day 0. I'm not at the point to want to lynch you but you're looking suspicious to me

 

[Nottykitten]

At the end of the day, jolt/arelic chose this theme, probably because they had an idea for how it could fit nicely as a design. The Mafia cards are likely the cards which would most fit bein Mafia cards. In other words, even if the cards aren't "inherently bad", if this game is designed to fit the theme and no just be random cards which seems pointless, then the Mafia will be among the more evil cards.

Except I know for a fact this isn't true because of my role.

The Mafia will of course want to dispel this notion as soon as possible and may even claim their role to try to disprove it by showing they have nothing to hide, cough

Or you know, a town member who has one of the cards deemed 'mafia' by you would like to make sure we don't start lynching based on something I know is false.

Notty's vibing scum to me a lot this game.

You're only saying this since I have one of your 'mafia' cards and I disagreed with your stupid list <3

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Massclaim is bad idea I feel. What's stopping a mafia card from going "oh yeah my role is not what my card seems to be" and then us still needing to just go for a shot in the dark while the mafia now knows the other cards and then they'll have a higher chance of hitting strong PR roles.

Again, I only supported a massclaim if one condition was met: that nobody came forward to say that their role was surprisingly different to what might be expected. So this, what you've described here, couldn't happen.

Alright again I've said this in another game, I'll say it again. Since when are we ok with just handing another person/team the win???? Like one of the biggest parts of mafia (to me it seems) is you're either with us or against us. And I don' think anyone should want someone who's not on their team to win.

A third party winning doesn't mean town doesn't win, not all the time, especially if they're a fool. I don't see why we should tip-toe around lynching mafia, who actually do take away our win, just so that a third party, who wouldn't even take away our win, can lose. I'm not saying we should, in any circumstance, just hand a third party a win, but we shouldn't let them get in the way of us winning either.

So this plus some aforementioned weird behaviour makes me really want to understand what you're doing here Inf. Also the Massclaim idea which seems like a very extra thing to do day 0. I'm not at the point to want to lynch you but you're looking suspicious to me

What "weird behaviour"?