Tavern Arcana - Mafia Win

[Dess]

May I ask if you're lynching me because you also think cards might = alignments? Or is it solely because you don't believe my role/think I've been acting scummy? And what about the idea to keep me alive till tomorrow so the cop can have another investigation before clearing me?

The main reason I am pushing for you is because I find it convenient that you didn't get notified about an event last night especially considering that could have been what saved you, but like mentioned above you may have seen that if you did claim there was an event you may have just said it was our emperor dying and then been called out on that being an easy claim since they are dead and now everybody knows.

While admittedly your role was a starting point, I did defend you on that yesterday saying that I trusted you more than inffy, this being said I am getting strong non town vibes from you and even if you are a 3rd party at this point I am comfortable lynching you.

 

[Nottykitten]

Guys, the cop visiting notty tonight could easily be what the mafia want ffs. Whether notty is mafia or not, the mafia can set a watcher on her and thus find out the identity of the cop and murder him the next night. I just don't understand why people are so eager to use this means to justify notty when it is potentially just what the mafia want and is risky.

Im about 99% sure the cop has already visited me, and keeping me alive is so that the cop can investigate someone else so he will have 2 reports tomorrow instead of 1. If you're really worried and the cop hasn't visited me yet then they can take your concerns to heart and investigate another person and tell everyone I haven't been investigated, but untill then I'm going to assume theyre hiding with my innocent report hoping to get another investigation tonight.

 

[Dess]

Also people keep pushing the cop to investigate notty but as iggish said there may be somebody who can watch them, infact that may be notty's power, it would make sense for a "tower" to be able to see who is visiting who.

And I mentioned it previously but never really got an answer. But in games past hasn't the cop only found out the roles (cards) of people and not their alignment? Or am I thinking of the detective from werewolf

 

[Nottykitten]

Also people keep pushing the cop to investigate notty but as iggish said there may be somebody who can watch them, infact that may be notty's power, it would make sense for a "tower" to be able to see who is visiting who.

And I mentioned it previously but never really got an answer. But in games past hasn't the cop only found out the roles (cards) of people and not their alignment? Or am I thinking of the detective from werewolf

Infact though, why does it even matter. If I am supposedly Mafia and the cop visits me who cares? The idea is that they'll claim 2 reports tomorrow anyways so the Mafia will know who it is no matter if they watch me tonight or not, if they even have a watcher.

 

[Nottykitten]

The main reason I am pushing for you is because I find it convenient that you didn't get notified about an event last night especially considering that could have been what saved you, but like mentioned above you may have seen that if you did claim there was an event you may have just said it was our emperor dying and then been called out on that being an easy claim since they are dead and now everybody knows.

But if I were Mafia going to make up fake events why wouldn't I just claim something that doesn't stupid but also isn't provable like 'cop results are inverted!!!'. I claimed to have no events because no events happened and there really isn't anything I can do about that

 

[Aqua]

I'd like to also point out that other than one cheeky post at the end of day 0 notty didn't accuse me or even suspect me of being mafia. She spent her entire time trying to deflect suspicion onto the toher two lynch candidates choco and inf.

However, now I'm suddenly definitely 100% scum even though my arguments, mindset and presence have barely changed since day 0.

If notty did genuinely believe that I was mafia above choco and inf even tho she spent so long claiming they were, then why wouldn't she atleast acknowledge it day 0?

Oh I know why... it's cus she's pulled it out of her arse today to try and shift the blame now inf is out of the picture so she doesn't have a scapegoat.

 

[Nottykitten]

I'd like to also point out that other than one cheeky post at the end of day 0 notty didn't accuse me or even suspect me of being mafia. She spent her entire time trying to deflect suspicion onto the toher two lynch candidates choco and inf.

However, now I'm suddenly definitely 100% scum even though my arguments, mindset and presence have barely changed since day 0.

If notty did genuinely believe that I was mafia above choco and inf even tho she spent so long claiming they were, then why wouldn't she atleast acknowledge it day 0?

Oh I know why... it's cus she's pulled it out of her arse today to try and shift the blame now inf is out of the picture so she doesn't have a scapegoat.

Have you not been reading my posts today? I've said it at the start of the day and quite a few times after that. You've been just as scummy as Choco was yesterday with your trash voting reasons. I didn't say anything yesterday because I like not dying and if I accused you of being antitown then there was no way you were ever going to remove your vote from me, now that my fate isn't decided by your vote (as I've said before) I can freely talk about how scummy you've been. And don't try and pull some nonsense about how your vote didn't decide my fate since first of all every vote matters and second you were spamming the thread telling people to vote for whomever you were voting at the time.

But I love these 'manipulation tactics' as you so call them.

Hey while we're at it, you seem an avid supporter of the card = alignment theory, why don't you also tell us the 6 cards you believe are Mafia.

 

[Aqua]

Also I like how people are claiming I'm tunnel visioning notty even though she clearly has the most to go on out of everybody as she's acting scummy, has the perfect role by coincidence, has a card that is synonymous with harm by coincidence and is being incredibly manipulative.

I forgot that voting for the scummiest person in the game is tunnel visioning I guess I should switch my vote to Mulbery instead then otherwise I'm bad at mafia and just a dirty tunnel visioner

 

[Iggish]

Notty, there are only 3 cards that seem inherently evil; death, devil and the tower. Apart from that, as choco said, it would almost be a random guess.

 

[Enderfive]

She spent her entire time trying to deflect suspicion onto the toher two lynch candidates choco and inf.

in other words, she was focussing on her foses as a way to both get who she thought was genuinely scummy and save herself

it's not scummy behaviour

However, now I'm suddenly definitely 100% scum even though my arguments, mindset and presence have barely changed since day 0.

your presence has noticeably risen though, which would explain why no one really cared about what you were doing day 0

If notty did genuinely believe that I was mafia above choco and inf even tho she spent so long claiming they were, then why wouldn'

because she didn't consider it due to you not playing that big of a role in the discussion at the time? i mean, i only noticed you were doing anything at all at the end of day 0

Oh I know why... it's cus she's pulled it out of her arse today to try and shift the blame now inf is out of the picture so she doesn't have a scapegoat.

scapegoat for what, exactly? if you mean a person to "deflect" suspicion onto, then you said yourself that choco was already a viable candidate for that

 

[Enderfive]

And I mentioned it previously but never really got an answer. But in games past hasn't the cop only found out the roles (cards) of people and not their alignment? Or am I thinking of the detective from werewolf

i guess you're thinking of detective

a regular cop receives a "guilty" or "not guilty" result based on the investigated player's alignment

a role cop, which is the role that investigates for role names, is an entirely separate role

 

[Nottykitten]

Notty, there are only 3 cards that seem inherently evil; death, devil and the tower. Apart from that, as choco said, it would almost be a random guess.

So you're telling me there are 3 'good' cards that are Mafia? That inhertly proves in itself card != alignment and that reason to lynch me is nonsense.

 

[Aqua]

in other words, she was focussing on her foses as a way to both get who she thought was genuinely scummy and save herself

it's not scummy behaviour

I mean maybe it's just me but as a townie I put the town>my life

If she truly thought I was 100% scum, more than anyone else in the game she would have called me out. She didn't even mention it.

Not only that she went from acting really innocent when sh e was being targeted day 0 to really aggressive towards me day 1 when the pressure was off.

Yes she might have just been trying to save her skin but if she was truly innocent she wouldn't have to use such blatant manipulation tactics to convince people.

You're litterally Mafia scum so maybe you should stop posting

The scummy one is you though.

Remind me again why you were talking about not caring AT ALL about who of the 3 lynch suspects are going to get lynched. I mean really, your argument is that somehow every single one of the 3 people is equally suspicious to you and you think the town is so good all 3 possible lynch suspects on day 0 are somehow anti-town. You didn't care since you're Mafia trash and you don't care who you lynch honestly

YOU HAVE REACHED SAFE PARKING.

Congratulations on making it to day 1! It's been hectic so far so have a free space spot to rest while you prepare for the 10 pages you still have to read.


Here is your friendly non-biased tower speaking, and I would like to remind you that the vocal majority attacking me could easely be Mafia. I'm mostly talking about Aqua here and in reality the vocal minority defending me could also be Mafia but just consider that their opinions don't have to be yours!

Onwards you go!

What you were doing yesterday was so scummy I was dying not to say anything, but if I started accusing you back then you would never switch your vote off of me which I needed to not die. Now that my death is almost imminent I can speak my mind about your scummy ways

Hes actually the most rational person in this game right now and I love him for it this change of heart was towards ender the only person defending her at that point in time.

tbh i think we gain some valuable info if we lynch aqua because if he flips maf then theres a good chance that we know the rest of the maf will have acted super scummy aswell. if he flips town then we know that acting super scummy can be done by townies.

If you truely believed that Tower = bad = Mafia then you would love a massclaim to get all other 'bad' cards. See now you're just contradicting your claims of how cards = alignment

So I quickly compiled some random notty posts for us to analyse in terms of manipulation tactics.

Note the constant use of scum synonyms to describe me at every chance

Note the over use of sarcasm to belittle me and make my points seem less valid (I know I do this too, but no where near this amount or to this effect).

Note that any use of humour in these posts still push her agenda as well, a lot of it is mixed inwith serious points to make her seem less aggressive and more light hearted.

Looking back at these, I'm certain there are many better examples from memory alone but it would be a pain to find them but yeah...

Here is a daily mail article I read a while back about the director Ken Loach a known Precariat/working class sympathiser.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...ticises-Benefits-Britain-says-TOBY-YOUNG.html

Note the sarcasm, the constant use of synonyms of socialist or I guess "libtard" they use at every chance, and the humour they mix in to further push their agenda.

 

[Aqua]

Also the blatant misquoting of my points such as when she says:

"Remind me again why you were talking about not caring AT ALL about who of the 3 lynch suspects are going to get lynched"

which was not true or even implied. She just tried to twist my words to use in her argument instead of giving a fair debate about why I was scummy.

If the best way to make me look scummy is to twist my words surely you're trying to push an agenda?

You did this again with the "Ok aqua why don't you massclaim shit" when TWG brought it up again, even though I have explained why its a bad idea numerous times.

 

[Iggish]

So you're telling me there are 3 'good' cards that are Mafia? That inhertly proves in itself card != alignment and that reason to lynch me is nonsense.

Ehhhhhh, how? Those are the only obvious ones but other not so obviousness could be mafia. Like the moon for example, night, darkness, mafia.

 

[Iggish]

But other not so obvious ones*

 

[Aqua]

scapegoat for what, exactly? if you mean a person to "deflect" suspicion onto, then you said yourself that choco was already a viable candidate for that

Also wow look what she's doing now, changing her vote and focus onto choco

 

[ChocoFox]

Eh, I mean, if y'all want to vote me, I don't mind. I'd have to reveal my role eventually anyway.

Just in case Foggy's vote count as a silent one though, I'm going to play it safe and reveal my role when there are eight visible votes. If some party wants to jump me last minute for a lynch, it'd give y'all some information, so I'm not worried.

 

[Enderfive]

I mean maybe it's just me but as a townie I put the town>my life

Also wow look what she's doing now, changing her vote and focus onto choco

this is retarded

why would she not attack someone she thinks is scummy, regardless of whether or not she thinks it'll save her? getting votes off of her would be a big added bonus, but it doesn't mean she's doing it for that sole purpose

If she truly thought I was 100% scum, more than anyone else in the game she would have called me out. She didn't even mention it.

>if she thinks i'm scummy now, she must've thought it all along

i'm starting to feel like all this talk of deflection and manipulative tactics is just you projecting onto notty

Not only that she went from acting really innocent when sh e was being targeted day 0 to really aggressive towards me day 1 when the pressure was off.

what does this even mean

Yes she might have just been trying to save her skin but if she was truly innocent she wouldn't have to use such blatant manipulation tactics to convince people.

lawful dumb is the best alignment

 

[Enderfive]

Arelic Jolterino votecount?

 

[Nottykitten]

So I quickly compiled some random notty posts for us to analyse in terms of manipulation tactics.

Note the constant use of scum synonyms to describe me at every chance

Note the over use of sarcasm to belittle me and make my points seem less valid (I know I do this too, but no where near this amount or to this effect).

Note that any use of humour in these posts still push her agenda as well, a lot of it is mixed inwith serious points to make her seem less aggressive and more light hearted.

Note that litterally 90% of these are either direct reflection of things youre saying to me (eg you calling me scummy then I say you're the scummy one which you are, why did you not quote your own posts? Perhaps manipulating people by taking stuff out of context how SCUM of you) or me disproving your bad card = alignment theory. Also yes I do like to make jokes would you like another one about how the sky isn't purple?

"Remind me again why you were talking about not caring AT ALL about who of the 3 lynch suspects are going to get lynched"

which was not true or even implied. She just tried to twist my words to use in her argument instead of giving a fair debate about why I was scummy.

This is litterally what you were doing. Also if you really wanted to quote me why don't you quote everytime I said the word litterally, that makes for a nice quote base. But yes you didn't care about the 3 lynch suspects and you still don't care whether I'm town or not now. (Spoiler alert, I am!)

Ehhhhhh, how? Those are the only obvious ones but other not so obviousness could be mafia. Like the moon for example, night, darkness, mafia.

Well you said theres only 3 'bad' cards and if we're going off the basis that theres 6 Mafia in the game that would mean there have to be 3 'non-bad' cards to be Mafia aswell. I just find this entire ideology of card = alignment very stupid when you consider that not only will Claire/Jolt have balanced this game, card are very open to interpretation and also there aren't actually 6 'bad' cards.

Eh, I mean, if y'all want to vote me, I don't mind. I'd have to reveal my role eventually anyway.

Just in case Foggy's vote count as a silent one though, I'm going to play it safe and reveal my role when there are eight visible votes. If some party wants to jump me last minute for a lynch, it'd give y'all some information, so I'm not worried.

So to continue our conversation, why are you in favour of a massclaim? You dodged the question previously

 

[Aqua]

why would she not attack someone she thinks is scummy, regardless of whether or not she thinks it'll save her? getting votes off of her would be a big added bonus, but it doesn't mean she's doing it for that sole purpose

YOU LITERALLY CALLED ME OUT FOR DOING THE SAME SHIT HOLY FUCK

THIS ALSO COMPLETELY CONTRADICTS WHAT YOU WERE SAYING BEFORE ABOUT IT NOT BEING SCUMMY THAT NOTTY DIDN'T MENTION ME BEING SCUM DAY 0

>if she thinks i'm scummy now, she must've thought it all along

i'm starting to feel like all this talk of deflection and manipulative tactics is just you projecting onto notty

HOW AM I PROJECTING WHEN I'VE BEEN SAYING THE SAME THING SINCE BEFORE I HAD A SINGLE VOTE AAAAAAAAA

what does this even mean

I addressed it day 0 go read the thread instead of talking out of ur arse

The conclusion I've come to is ender you're retarded whether you're scum or not

 

[Nottykitten]

YOU LITERALLY CALLED ME OUT FOR DOING THE SAME SHIT HOLY FUCK

THIS ALSO COMPLETELY CONTRADICTS WHAT YOU WERE SAYING BEFORE ABOUT IT NOT BEING SCUMMY THAT NOTTY DIDN'T MENTION ME BEING SCUM DAY 0

HOW AM I PROJECTING WHEN I'VE BEEN SAYING THE SAME THING SINCE BEFORE I HAD A SINGLE VOTE AAAAAAAAA

You just went full Inf

 

[Dess]

So to continue our conversation, why are you in favour of a massclaim? You dodged the question previously

He isn't though? He's said this multiple times and unless I'm mistaken the ONLY person for it is twg

 

[Enderfive]

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