Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
i guess that's pointless at this point since even if i wasn't, you guys already have your minds made up about this
as a matter of fact, yes, i am scared that people are going to vote me
i don't know of any such role
Tavern Arcana - Mafia Win
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Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
I'm just trying to understand what you're doing/what your opinion is on things. But if you had any good reasons for being in favour of a massclaim then I expect you to push it with good arguments trying to convince us or atleast explain why you think it would be good/bad.
But what do you mean you didn't change your mind? You litterally said "I'm still in favour of a mass-claim, but seeing that its not going to happen, why bring it back up again?" 2 pages ago, so clearly you were in favour of a massclaim. Then afterwards you said "Mass-claim would generally be a good thing at the start because I thought Inffy knew what he was doing. Guess I was wrong? Happy now?". Since you said "Guess I was wrong?" it implies to me that you now are not in favour anymore, which seems like a change of mind to me. If you didn't change your mind then are you still in favour?
You suddenly say you've been 'pretty neutral' but if that were true why did you tell me you were in favour of a massclaim 2 pages ago?
We don't have that evidence, we have Inf being a hermit and thats it. But if you truely believe card = alignment then give me a good reason why we should not massclaim right now?
Notty, the cards that aren't the three obvious scummy ones aren't necessarily good, how are you coming to this conclusion? Many of them can be pretty easily interpreted as scum, the other three are just the obvious ones.
Aqua
Does anybody remember laughter?
Well depending on what your role is you shouldn't worry as I'm sure cop can visit you and debunk this theory.
You're at no risk of getting voted today as we're going to lynch notty.
You said that we would have that evidence, and we do. It makes sense that a hermit would be a third party, just as it makes sense that a card revolving about destructive change would be anti-town.
We should not massclaim as there are only three cards that are obviously evil. I would lynch off those three without blinking an eye as I firml believe that alignment is linked to cards. However, what do we do after that? The mafia can just whittle down the town's useful PRs by guessing which cards would have which ability. After the three scummy cards are dead, who should we kill after that? While the moon and wheel of time / judgement (whatever it is), could be mafia, we don't know and it is not obvious, unlike the other three so I would be hesitant to lynch them just for their card.
And no, this is not me contradicting myself. The Devil, Death and the Tower have obvious negative traits attached to them and are almost certainly scum (IMO), but the other possible mafia cards are not so obvious and so I would be reluctant to lynch them for that reason alone.
We can always massclaim tomorrow I guess, but to do it today would be ludicrous as it would just give the mafia an extra night to wreak havoc among our potential useful PRs. We have one scum card exposed, whose claimed ability is only loosely linked to the card and meaning, so it is much better to lynch this person now, as opposed to exposing every single town useful PR to the mafia.
Lynching notty would also bury the hatchet once and for all in my opinion, get rid of any little bit of doubt that might remain, that cards are linked to alignments.
[BCOLOR=transparent]Day 1 - Vote Count where I think this is correct but I just woke up[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Unusual_Dood (1): Unusual_Dood[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Nottykitten (7): Ooglie101, Aqua, Unusual_Dood, hipman500(x2), Jivvi, Dess[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]ChocoFox (7): Roobarb Pie, erik5456, Danni122112, Nottykitten, Mulbery, Enderfive, ChocoFox[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]With 21 players alive, it takes 11 players to lynch and 11 players to no lynch.[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]If the required vote amount is not reached by the deadline, the player with the most votes will be lynched.[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Unusual_Dood (1): Unusual_Dood[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Nottykitten (7): Ooglie101, Aqua, Unusual_Dood, hipman500(x2), Jivvi, Dess[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]ChocoFox (7): Roobarb Pie, erik5456, Danni122112, Nottykitten, Mulbery, Enderfive, ChocoFox[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]With 21 players alive, it takes 11 players to lynch and 11 players to no lynch.[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]If the required vote amount is not reached by the deadline, the player with the most votes will be lynched.[/BCOLOR]
Nottykitten
Nomnomnom kitteh!
Why don't you relieve him of his pain and vote him so he can claim! Then I can talk about how its nonsense and his actions up till now have consisted of a non-town mindset, bad reasoning, contradicting opinions and ignoring me when I'm trying to talk about those contradicting opinions.
I get your points, I just find it hard to believe that all of you think the hosts would make all 3 'bad' cards evil and the rest is still up for debate because those are up to interpretation.
And I fully agree we shouldn't massclaim as thats a terrible idea because I know card != alignments, I'm just trying to figure out if people who think card = alignment have some certain set of cards in mind which they deem most likely to be Mafia. Which brings me to my previous question, if there are other cards that are easely interpreted as evil/'bad', anyone that believes card = alignment should in my opinion try and make a list of these because clearly you would want a list of potential likely Mafias to go with your theory and not just 3 but all of them.
I don't find that worth it at all, we should be scumhunting not lynching based on flavour theories. I guess you probably do think I'm scummy so fair point but lynching me based on my card is pure nonsense to me.
I mean, I guess it would, but this is not answering my question at all.
I'll make a list, sure:
Obviously scummy:
Tower: Destructive change. The card's description is like 90% negative. Highly likely that it is scum.
Death: The card is called death. Death. Highly likely that it is scum.
Devil: The card is called the devil. The Devil. Nothing good is associated with the Devil. Highly likely that it is scum.
Other potential scummy cards:
The Moon: The short card description I found was that it relates to fear, anxiety and insecurity. In addition to the moon being associated with night and darkness. Pretty likely of being scummy
The High Priestess: The short card description I found was that it relates to mystery, higher powers and subconscious mind. This sounds alien and not friendly. A good chance of being anti-town.
The Chariot: The short card description I found was that it relates to control, willpower and assertion. This can be interpreted both ways. A relative chance of being scummy.
I should clarify. I said I'd only lynch the three obvious scum cards based mainly on their card alone, but I'd probably do the same for the Moon, which sounds pretty damn scummy. Not for the Chariot and High Priestess though, I'd need more to lynch one of them.
Alright. Alright. I'll reveal my role before anything else happens. Kinda sick of waiting.
I'm The High Priestess, and I'm Town. I have a night action, but I'm not going to reveal what it is. Whether or not its a high PR role. You decide.
This is what I propose we do. We pressure our dear friend Enderfive into telling us his role card.
unvote
vote Enderfive
I'm The High Priestess, and I'm Town. I have a night action, but I'm not going to reveal what it is. Whether or not its a high PR role. You decide.
This is what I propose we do. We pressure our dear friend Enderfive into telling us his role card.
unvote
vote Enderfive
Aqua
Does anybody remember laughter?
LITERALLY NOBODY WAS PRESSURING YOU INTO CLAIMING WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?Alright. Alright. I'll reveal my role before anything else happens. Kinda sick of waiting.
I'm The High Priestess, and I'm Town. I have a night action, but I'm not going to reveal what it is. Whether or not its a high PR role. You decide.
This is what I propose we do. We pressure our dear friend Enderfive into telling us his role card.
unvote
vote Enderfive
unvote
vote choco