Tavern Arcana - Mafia Win

[Jolterino]

[BCOLOR=transparent]Day 1 - Vote Count where Aqua changes votes the second before you post so you have to edit it[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Unusual_Dood (1): Unusual_Dood[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Nottykitten (7): Ooglie101, Unusual_Dood, hipman500(x2), Jivvi, Dess, Aqua[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]ChocoFox (6): Roobarb Pie, erik5456, Danni122112, Nottykitten, Mulbery, Enderfive[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Enderfive (1): ChocoFox[/BCOLOR]

[BCOLOR=transparent]With 21 players alive, it takes 11 players to lynch and 11 players to no lynch.[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]If the required vote amount is not reached by the deadline, the player with the most votes will be lynched.[/BCOLOR]

 

[Aqua]

ChocoFox please don't go to bed cus you will be lynched...

just tell us what's going on
please?

Like I have no words... nothing for what's just happened...

why are you voting ender when you're at risk of getting lynched instead of notty?

Just what... WHAT?



WHAAAAAT????

 

[Iggish]

vote nottykitten

 

[Nottykitten]

Anyways so heres something interesting

I'm The High Priestess, and I'm Town. I have a night action, but I'm not going to reveal what it is. Whether or not its a high PR role. You decide.

The High Priestess: The short card description I found was that it relates to mystery, higher powers and subconscious mind. This sounds alien and not friendly. A good chance of being anti-town.

And thats not it here is something even more interesting:

I am The Tower.

Tower: Destructive change. The card's description is like 90% negative. Highly likely that it is scum.

Jokes aside his so called non-high town PR claim is bs from my perspective since he's been scummy this entire time.

Choco still hasn't answered me about why he said he was in favour of a massclaim and then 2 pages later he said he wasn't. But he did say he didn't change his mind so what gives?

 

[Nottykitten]

Also I guess that puts me on 9/11 votes once Choco inevitably votes back onto me. If I do get lynched today(I can easely see Weak voting me since he wasn't sure yet and Geek will just vote me without having read the thread tbh), you should vigilante kill and/or lynch Aqua/Choco because they've been pretty obvious scum.

 

[Aqua]

Anyways so heres something interesting


And thats not it here is something even more interesting:


Jokes aside his so called non-high town PR claim is bs from my perspective since he's been scummy this entire time.

Choco still hasn't answered me about why he said he was in favour of a massclaim and then 2 pages later he said he wasn't. But he did say he didn't change his mind so what gives?

I'm pretty sure he's insane rather than scum, I do want a reply asap for him if he just stops responding now Idek...

 

[ChocoFox]

ChocoFox please don't go to bed cus you will be lynched...

just tell us what's going on
please?

Like I have no words... nothing for what's just happened...

why are you voting ender when you're at risk of getting lynched instead of notty?

Just what... WHAT?



WHAAAAAT????

Its very simple. Know that mass-claim idea? I said I was neutral on it? I lied. I wanted it to happen, but because it couldn't, then oh well. Why mass-claim? Because I suppose there'd be roles like the doctor who pretty much protect people who seem vulnerable enough and important to town.

I was trying to get people to vote me, to pretty much narrow down a couple of people who I suspected.

Still trying to push for one person to be reveal their role, think its Enderfive?

I don't see harm in revealing my role to begin with actually. It had to come out eventually.

Perhaps I've been playing too much Discord Werewolf, but yes, this is usually how I play anyway.

 

[Nottykitten]

I'm pretty sure he's insane rather than scum, I do want a reply asap for him if he just stops responding now Idek...

Pretty convinced hes scum though

 

[Nottykitten]

Its very simple. Know that mass-claim idea? I said I was neutral on it? I lied. I wanted it to happen, but because it couldn't, then oh well. Why mass-claim? Because I suppose there'd be roles like the doctor who pretty much protect people who seem vulnerable enough and important to town.

Ok so you lied that hurts my feelings aswell. Why do you want it to happen? What do you think the town will gain from a massclaim?

 

[Enderfive]

Alright. Alright. I'll reveal my role before anything else happens. Kinda sick of waiting.

I'm The High Priestess, and I'm Town. I have a night action, but I'm not going to reveal what it is. Whether or not its a high PR role. You decide.

This is what I propose we do. We pressure our dear friend Enderfive into telling us his role card.

unvote
vote Enderfive

first of all, i don't believe this claim, it just seems like you're trying to get people off your back

secondly, how convenient for you that you're basically softclaiming cop, in order to make your lynch seem as undesirable as possible

thirdly, it seems like you haven't really given up on trying to get people to massclaim at all, you're just trying to do it one by one now

nice try, but i don't think it'll succeed

 

[ChocoFox]

What I'm saying here is, there still could be time to pressure Enderfive into revealing his role.

Say what you want, but I still think there's just insufficient information left and right. The only information we have for sure are that two cards seemed to align to their respective alignment.

Ok so you lied that hurts my feelings aswell. Why do you want it to happen? What do you think the town will gain from a massclaim?

Didn't I just explain...? There are probably roles like a doctor who are around who can protect people who they think are vulnerable anyway. So really there'd not be a lot of harm done. And as Inffy pretty much said before, mass-claiming would narrow down our suspects to a few people. The counterclaims would give us some information, better than what we have now.

 

[Aqua]

Its very simple. Know that mass-claim idea? I said I was neutral on it? I lied. I wanted it to happen, but because it couldn't, then oh well. Why mass-claim? Because I suppose there'd be roles like the doctor who pretty much protect people who seem vulnerable enough and important to town.

I was trying to get people to vote me, to pretty much narrow down a couple of people who I suspected.

Still trying to push for one person to be reveal their role, think its Enderfive?

I don't see harm in revealing my role to begin with actually. It had to come out eventually.

Perhaps I've been playing too much Discord Werewolf, but yes, this is usually how I play anyway.

We don't need a massclaim for a doctor to do their job what???

Also for the 20th time

A MASS CLAIM IS ALWAYS BAD; A) WE DO NOT KNOW 100% WHETHER CARDS = ALIGNMENT SO ACTING PURELY OFF OF THAT WITH LYNCHING OR WITH WHO THE DOCTOR SAVES IS LUNACY

B) THERE MIGHT BE A 3P ROLE THAT COULD BENEFIT FROM IT AND LOSE US ALL THE GAME

C) WEREWOLF IS PISS EASY COMPARED TO MAFIA DO NOT APPLY THE SAME STRATEGIES THAT'S RETARDED

also you could have just CLAIMED. You could have claimed before anyone voted you like I did??????

claiming your card is possibly risky incase theres a 3p whoc ould benefit like I said but it's still in your power to do so.

Like why did you make this big fucking fiasco to bring everyones eyes and votes upon you just so you could claim, even voting yourself then claiming earlier without any sort of real pressure?????????????????////////

LIKE WHAT? WHAT ARE YOU DOING SERIOUSLY?

 

[Enderfive]

Its very simple. Know that mass-claim idea? I said I was neutral on it? I lied. I wanted it to happen, but because it couldn't, then oh well. Why mass-claim? Because I suppose there'd be roles like the doctor who pretty much protect people who seem vulnerable enough and important to town.

scum

I was trying to get people to vote me, to pretty much narrow down a couple of people who I suspected.

of course, the good old reaction test defense

Still trying to push for one person to be reveal their role, think its Enderfive?

but why

what is it about me that makes you want to get me to reveal my role so much

 

[Nottykitten]

Didn't I just explain...? There are probably roles like a doctor who are around who can protect people who they think are vulnerable anyway. So really there'd not be a lot of harm done. And as Inffy pretty much said before, mass-claiming would narrow down our suspects to a few people. The counterclaims would give us some information, better than what we have now.

No you said that the doctor could protect people not how it would be good to the town. Are you expecting there to be counterclaims? Because I'm certainly not expecting anyone to counterclaim cards this game.

Mind telling me how you think massclaiming is going to narrow down our suspects to a few people?

 

[Iggish]

Ok Aqua, I've heard you mention a third party benefiting from claiming quite a few times but IIRC you have never explained it. How would they benefit? How would it function?
I agree with you that a massclaim is bad but this point just seems paranoid and unlikely.

 

[Aqua]

Didn't I just explain...? There are probably roles like a doctor who are around who can protect people who they think are vulnerable anyway. So really there'd not be a lot of harm done. And as Inffy pretty much said before, mass-claiming would narrow down our suspects to a few people. The counterclaims would give us some information, better than what we have now.

THIS IS SO DUMB EVEN IF THAT WERE TRUE THERE WILL LIKELY BE 1 DOCTOR AND POSSIBLE 1 NURSE/APPRENTICE ROLE

YOU CANNOT PROTECT EVERYBODY AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA MY BRAIN IS DYING

 

[ChocoFox]

scum


of course, the good old reaction test defense


but why

what is it about me that makes you want to get me to reveal my role so much

The fact that you said your role sounds bad but isn't and isn't willing to reveal it kind of makes me suspicious.

 

[Iggish]

what is it about me that makes you want to get me to reveal my role so much

Hasn't this been explained at least 3 times?

 

[Enderfive]

Hasn't this been explained at least 3 times?

clearly not sufficiently enough

 

[Aqua]

Ok Aqua, I've heard you mention a third party benefiting from claiming quite a few times but IIRC you have never explained it. How would they benefit? How would it function?
I agree with you that a massclaim is bad but this point just seems paranoid and unlikely.

Wdym? There are multiple ways? Think president in WW, 3p needs to assassinate one or more specific cards. Or maybe it's as simple as getting everybody to claim like a meme clap role from jivvis game. Or maybe they can mimic peoples abilities or something...

like there are loads of potential roles that can benefit which is why massclaiming is NEVER a good idea.

 

[Aqua]

clearly not sufficiently enough

Ender. As much as you want to deny it, there is evidence supporting the card = alignment theory.

Knowing your card would help support or deny this theory.

If we can prove it's true or atleast very very likely we can easily bag two definite scum roles and pressure a fe wother possible scum roles.

You have claimed you are one of these "bad" cards, after defending another "bad" card who is the most popular lynch atm.

So knowing whether it's extremely bad like death or the devil or just could be seen as bad like the slot machine or something is important.

 

[Jivvi]

jesus this is doing my head in

ok first of all

Death: The card is called death. Death. Highly likely that it is scum.

the tower and the devil have pretty distinct negative connotations, but death actually doesn't. death represents endings, change, eliminating excess and transformations. see these links. death could still easily be scum, but so could most of the cards (second link correlates death with the tower, which is in favour of it being antitown imo).

i hated reading through all the drivel of card=role vs card!=role because both of those perspective are obviously wrong based on what we know. both confirmed roles correlate to their card. i'm fairly certain card correlated to r o l e. there's no card that is definitively, 100% bad (some come close to it, though, especially when you try and translate them into realistic mafia roles). any card could be any alignment. it would have worked perfectly fine thematically if the emperor was the mafia godfather and the hermit was the town granny.

with that said, it's worth reiterating that my suspicion of notty is based off the fact that i think her role is unrealistic due to being poorly linked to her card and of questionable to likelihood to exist in this setup at all (plus whatever else i mentioned in my good, compact, lowercase, not spammy posts).


as for other current events, chocofox blew my mind with that claim tbh. he's definitely giving off hard 'inexperienced mafia' vibes and i think i can spot places where he's trying to pick up tactics used by other players but it comes off as kinda dodgy (hey, we all start somewhere though). i think choco is a valid lynch, but i'm gonna leave my vote on notty cause i'm still worried that her role is the horrible disaster, like an arsonist or something.

 

[Enderfive]

If we can prove it's true or atleast very very likely we can easily bag two definite scum roles and pressure a fe wother possible scum roles.

and when notty flips maf, what then? you expect me to just let myself be lynched?

 

[ChocoFox]

Wdym? There are multiple ways? Think president in WW, 3p needs to assassinate one or more specific cards. Or maybe it's as simple as getting everybody to claim like a meme clap role from jivvis game. Or maybe they can mimic peoples abilities or something...

like there are loads of potential roles that can benefit which is why massclaiming is NEVER a good idea.

I mean, alright, fair enough? As Iggish suggested, a mass claim isn't entirely possible right now and more of a paranoid idea. I don't know why people are still dwelling on it.

Since there was so little information, I figured I'd try to take things into my own hands?

Its still not late to pressure Enderfive into revealing, you know, and once he does, you can always switch back to Notty if you're really so much for it.

 

[Jivvi]

also on the topic of getting choco/ender/others to claim, i don't think people should claim cards until their role itself is called into question

i claim pot of greed, which allows me to draw two cards

 

[Aqua]

Ok Aqua, I've heard you mention a third party benefiting from claiming quite a few times but IIRC you have never explained it. How would they benefit? How would it function?
I agree with you that a massclaim is bad but this point just seems paranoid and unlikely.

Furthermore this is another reason why I've been saying that if notty is 3p which I believe her to be I'd rather vote her over mafia because that would likely remove that element from the game as if it were to exist it's probably her.

With the tower being like a destruction wild card against everyone type thing it could easily be the case.