Tavern Arcana - Mafia Win

erik5456

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That's absolute bullshit, you didn't save Oog, you poisoned him. Fog just proved that you were the only one who visited him. Any action such as that which causes rot probably requires someone to visit. Now, secondly, it's extremely interesting that you want me lynched because you know the importance of my role, and taking me out now would be useful to you.


Using your argument about the description of tarot cards against you, THERE is no indication that this tarot card does what you are expecting it to do. In fact, you most likely took the role which Danni has last time and copied it over here to be used. Just a heads up, it does make sense that this card would be the Roleblocker as the roleblocker is able to block BOTH town AND mafia. Therefore, even though it may seem balanced because of the fact that roleblockers can block both parties. They seem like angels to the town as they are able to protect townies later on in the game. Your flaw in the argument is that this balance you mention, it would be overpowered for the town if there was a backup role which existed FOR TOW. BUT this role isn't common in mafia games but is usually/most likely a third party role like last time which can take over BOTH town and mafia roles. In fact, my point of Temperance being a roleblocker is backed up by the fact that if there was a mafia roleblocker/prostitute who was Notty, then there must be a town roleblocker to counter this.

I'm also going to go back to what you said about Oog, you didn't prevent him from dying but in fact; you caused it. Because a) Sometimes the Doctor is able to heal players which are poisoned WHICH YOU WOULD HAVE STATED and b) it would have been reported that someone visited him before YOU did to poison him. This all points to the fact that you never protected Oog. Your role points to the poisoner, which VISITS people to poison. This is backed up by MULTIPLE mafia wiki's:






Everything points towards you not being a townie role but in fact, the poisoner which is blatantly ANTI-TOWN
Ok just like you say in a later post, you're using a bunch of wiki's that say SOME MODERATORS along other things. Second of all, you're assuming a poisoner EXISTS when notty mentioned a gun (although im not sure how reputable that is) and NO ONE has mentioned they've been poisoned at ANY point in the game which is something that's usually mentioned. Aside from that, since when does a poisoner's kill happen during the day? The only (somewhat) indicator we have of how both Aqua and Ooglie died was when they claimed/mentioned their roles and even then Aqua's death seemed instant while Ooglie's seemed like he made another post or two before dying. This makes it seems near impossible for a poisoner to be a thing.

Moving on to your balance argument, this works with ANY ROLE. A DOCTOR is balanced because he can save a mafia or a town. A TRACKER is balanced because he can track a mafia or a town. Repeat this exact same sentence for every mafia role ever made. As far as my role of backup for town goes, We have a 23 player setup with what was 2 nightkills (mafia+SK) and maybe a third cuz of aqua's claim AND what seems to be a gunsmith. That's a total of about 3 players dying a night-day cycle (lynch not included). I'm not claiming fucking nurse or a 2nd goddamn doctor here. I'm literally just a town backup where 3 TOWNIES (AGAIN NOT INCLUDING LYNCH) COULD DIE IN A NIGHT-DAY CYCLE. Fuck if Roob (or Dess if we still want to consider him as possibly town aligned) had been killed or lynched, then I'd be the new rolecop. Because otherwise town PR's would drop like flies and mafia would easily win. It's not my fault I got this role and apparently it seems super fucking rare/unlikely.

Everything points to me being antitown? You mean the fact we're CC'ing each other, that Fog confirmed i visited Oog and nothing else? Ya 100% everything points to me being antitown. Makes perfect fucking sense. Just about as much as the rest of the backwards logic that you're trying to use to get me lynched.

I'm not planning on switching my vote from Rune and I think everyone else should probably do the same. I agree that Mulb looks suspicious, but we have no guarantee that he's mafia while it's either Rune or I who is mafia and with him literally just ignoring other facts and acting like it's a given FACT that I'm mafia, it's pretty damn clear to see he's scum. We can handle Mulb, and Roob/Dess after we lynch off the confirmed mafia IMO.

Also don't fucking vote Ender. Literally gonna be a waste of a day/time if we decide to let Ender win and just lynch him off.
 

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haven't been paying attention. what's the basis for lynching mulb?
mulb was voted choco pretty early on even tho he was doc and either ignored notty or defended idk. oog was pretty admant on lynching notty and oog was daykilled so unless theres a townie going around killing peeps or theres some crazy mafia busing going on i highly doubt he was evil
 

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Also don't fucking vote Ender. Literally gonna be a waste of a day/time if we decide to let Ender win and just lynch him off.
no one has in any way disproven the fact that once this game reaches a lylo, the town is fucked with me alive, since the maf can simply pile on to me for the win

come to think of it, this is also the case with unu, and probably also the reason why we're both still alive

of course, you can bet on this game never reaching a lylo, but that assumes that you'll be able to take out all the threats to the town faster than they can bring the numbers down to where they constitute half of the living players

if you can't, you will lose, and will promise you that until i am lynched, i will always make sure to vote in a way that i believe will benefit the mafia

the sooner you lynch me, the better chances you have, and if you play ball, i'll use my kill to take out someone i believe to be mafia, so you'll get two anti-town players out of your hair

the only argument that has been brought against lynching me is "hurr we can't let him win", which is simply retarded and completely ignores the mechanical implications of letting me live
 

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Idk why people are saying that going after Choco was a bad thing. Do you forget how scummy he was? The fact that he flipped town doctor doesn't really mean anything, so idk why you guys keep bringing it up.
That is at least not the reason for my lynch. My reason: either Oog or Mul was lying, and Oog got killed by what very likely was caused by the mafias. So oog was probably town and Mul therefore evil
 

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Ooooohhhh, it makes a lot more sense now.
However, someone could've easily been trying to frame Mul, I guess. And the fact that Oog was going hard after notty...

Ok, are there any quotes of Mulb defending notty or do I have to go look for them.
I don't normally analyse playing styles but I must say ChocoFox is acting exactly how I expected he would in a mafia game like this
Agreed - I am a little confused about why Aqua is under the spotlight but him aside, the constant bickering between notty and choco though is just full of unjustified assertions and attacks that aren't really called for.

I have expressed my thoughts on choco playing in character a while ago, and even though choco is being suspected and somewhat pushed to the edge right now is understandable - his silence earlier today can easily be attributed to timezones and his support for odd tactics can be attributed to him having a different playing style. It does seem like, however, through his manner of speech that he is trying to gain influence at any cost and has been way too stubborn in his arguments without regard to the survival of town in the long-term even though that has been discussed multiple times.

vote ChocoFox


That is not to say that choco is more suspicious than notty - there isn't much to say about notty since she's the most likely to be scum at this point. I do fear that mafia may successfully block such an attempt though.
I should probably justify myself voting for choco at this point - I voted for choco over notty on day 1 because I thought choco was anti-town. Not that I didn't believe that Notty was anti-town, but the fact that choco was strongly pushing for a mass-claim yet spending lots of time arguing with notty over petty things and contributing nothing towards scumhunting or presenting any evidence against notty made me come to the conclusion that both choco and notty were probably anti-town and one of them was mafia. Which presented this situation:
  • Lynching Notty and Investigating Choco
  • Lynching Choco and Investigating Notty
Keeping in mind that I was certain that both of them had chances of being anti-town more than town, I picked the latter option on the basis that an investigation on notty would prove to be more helpful to town since notty herself had already claimed and we would have some sort of reference to base the investigation report against, and that in the small chance of notty's claim being actually true and choco's odd refusal to claim, it would be more beneficial to keep notty for the night for town in the long run.
 
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