[GAME OVER] Formula Mafia

[Stranger from Myst Island]

Point being there is plenty of room for different roles; claiming your role as it was described is not inherently AI. The chaos means roles that are not typical are expected, and only by explaining those roles/putting them into context can the set-up start to make sense. You claim your role is inherently one that would be an autolynch when that's never guaranteed.

I see where your coming from, and I explained my role in a lot of detail earlier yet I still ended up getting told "this sounds scummy" and having several people pile votes on me. I didnt see a logical argument against that, hence the 3p claim.

you werent confirmed scum to me by any means

Well thanks for clarifying. Why did you still think it was appropriate to push me less than 12 hours into the day phase then?

 

[MarsKid]

Like I could have been wrong on Boo and Stranger, and Boo could have been right in doubting Stranger. There is a world where this happens and I don't know why you can't see that/insist on it not existing.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

You're assuming it inherently doesn't make sense when it could have been a misread, which happens. Basically this assumes there's never a world where Boo calls this out the fake.

no im not assuming it inherently doesnt make sense, im saying you didnt think it made sense and you havent given a reason to change your mind other than stranger's alignment suddenly being possibly town - and that doesnt add up to me

idk what you mean with the last part

He seems convinced you are 100% scum. Do you not see this or do you choose to ignore it?

he thinks im scum yeah but he doesnt think others think im scum or that im confirmed proven scum or something

 

[MarsKid]

no im not assuming it inherently doesnt make sense, im saying you didnt think it made sense and you havent given a reason to change your mind other than stranger's alignment suddenly being possibly town - and that doesnt add up to me

idk what you mean with the last part

I did give a reason, that being Stranger faking the claim in the first place.

he thinks im scum yeah but he doesnt think others think im scum or that im confirmed proven scum or something

Oog's posting is almost entirely based around you being a locked/proven scum.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Well thanks for clarifying. Why did you still think it was appropriate to push me less than 12 hours into the day phase then?

because you were my suspect so i voted you and explained why i thought you were scum, i never said i wanted you dead asap right this second before the day had chance to do other things

Like I could have been wrong on Boo and Stranger, and Boo could have been right in doubting Stranger. There is a world where this happens and I don't know why you can't see that/insist on it not existing.

im not insisting on it not existing

im saying, from your perspective, you found boo's reason Y to be unreasonable

now suddenly youre saying you find it reasonable, because boo turned out to be right

but whether the conclusion was in favour of boo's theory or not, shouldnt change whether reason Y was reasonable or not, from your perspctive

so saying this doesnt add up to me + wonder if youre faking reads

 

[MarsKid]

I see where your coming from, and I explained my role in a lot of detail earlier yet I still ended up getting told "this sounds scummy" and having several people pile votes on me. I didnt see a logical argument against that, hence the 3p claim.

But claiming 3P inherently puts you in the lynch pool for town/maf; from an info standpoint, nothing comes out of it.

 

[Stranger from Myst Island]

because you were my suspect so i voted you and explained why i thought you were scum, i never said i wanted you dead asap right this second before the day had chance to do other things

Well sorry if I didn't read it like that.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I did give a reason, that being Stranger faking the claim in the first place.

but this isnt a reason thatd make sense to change your opinion of boo's reasoning

boo's reasoning should still be unreasonable to you, even if their conclusion was correct

Oog's posting is almost entirely based around you being a locked/proven scum.

its not, he thinks im 99% scum but he knows others dont see it that way or else theyd be voting for me

 

[MarsKid]

because you were my suspect so i voted you and explained why i thought you were scum, i never said i wanted you dead asap right this second before the day had chance to do other things


im not insisting on it not existing

im saying, from your perspective, you found boo's reason Y to be unreasonable

now suddenly youre saying you find it reasonable, because boo turned out to be right

but whether the conclusion was in favour of boo's theory or not, shouldnt change whether reason Y was reasonable or not, from your perspctive

so saying this doesnt add up to me + wonder if youre faking reads

It was unreasonable in a world where Stranger's claim was real, which I believed. This is now a world where Stranger's claim was not real. Ergo Boo not buying it and the subsequent reveal put this all in a different context. I've outlined that as best as I can, what is confusing you here?

 

[Mooglie]

its not, he thinks im 99% scum but he knows others dont see it that way or else theyd be voting for me

99.99%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MarsKid]

its not, he thinks im 99% scum but he knows others dont see it that way or else theyd be voting for me

This directly contradicted by his posting.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

It was unreasonable in a world where Stranger's claim was real, which I believed. This is now a world where Stranger's claim was not real. Ergo Boo not buying it and the subsequent reveal put this all in a different context. I've outlined that as best as I can, what is confusing you here?

stranger's true alignment should have no bearing on whether you find boo's reasoning reasonable or not

you find questioning 3p claims unreasonable

whether the 3p claim turned out to be true or not, shouldnt matter to that ^, you should still have found it unreasonable to question it from boo's perspective

 

[Infected_alien8_]

This directly contradicted by his posting.

he never said he thinks everyone thinks im proven scum though, yet thats what your argument was against about how 'if inf was proven scum to everyone theyd be voting him'

 

[MarsKid]

stranger's true alignment should have no bearing on whether you find boo's reasoning reasonable or not

you find questioning 3p claims unreasonable

whether the 3p claim turned out to be true or not, shouldnt matter to that ^, you should still have found it unreasonable to question it from boo's perspective

This is just going to keep going in circles at this point.

It was unreasonable to question it, and the reasoning was not inherent to a 3P claim; it was about the role itself and whether it made sense. And in new context, this reasoning can be viewed differently.

 

[MarsKid]

he never said he thinks everyone thinks im proven scum though, yet thats what your argument was against about how 'if inf was proven scum to everyone theyd be voting him'

1. Because he made that argument.
2. He made other arguments, which I also addressed; this is not my only point.
3. His posting is based around insisting you are scum and should be lynched, and everyone should vote you; it's not hidden.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

This is just going to keep going in circles at this point.

It was unreasonable to question it, and the reasoning was not inherent to a 3P claim; it was about the role itself and whether it made sense. And in new context, this reasoning can be viewed differently.

so how do you view the reasoning differently now then in this context

before stranger's role was revealed to be town, boo doubted it, and you found the doubt inherently unreasonable because town/scum shouldnt be fakeclaiming as 3p

afterstranger's role was revealed to be town nothing about that is any different, so i dont get why youre suddenly finding boo's claim reasonable and it reads like faking reads to me

im gonna stop talking about it now though since youre right this is gonna go in circles but im sus of you now

 

[Infected_alien8_]

1. Because he made that argument.
2. He made other arguments, which I also addressed; this is not my only point.
3. His posting is based around insisting you are scum and should be lynched, and everyone should vote you; it's not hidden.

1. where?
2. doesnt matter though?
3. telling people they should vote me =/= 'inf is confirmed town to you all'

 

[Infected_alien8_]

3. telling people they should vote me =/= 'inf is confirmed town to you all'

scum*

 

[MarsKid]

so how do you view the reasoning differently now then in this context

before stranger's role was revealed to be town, boo doubted it, and you found the doubt inherently unreasonable because town/scum shouldnt be fakeclaiming as 3p

afterstranger's role was revealed to be town nothing about that is any different, so i dont get why youre suddenly finding boo's claim reasonable and it reads like faking reads to me

Why do you assume Stranger is town?

im gonna stop talking about it now though since youre right this is gonna go in circles but im sus of you now

I really don't get how when I've done my best to explain this to you; unfair leap to make tbh.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Why do you assume Stranger is town?

i dont, i mean 'before stranger revealed her role was actually town', that'd be better wording there sorry

I really don't get how when I've done my best to explain this to you; unfair leap to make tbh.

because it still doesnt make sense to me

 

[MarsKid]

1. where?
2. doesnt matter though?
3. telling people they should vote me =/= 'inf is confirmed pedit: scum to you all'

1. Beginning of this day.
2. Why is this irrelevant?
3. He insists on lynching you and that everyone should follow because you are openly scum. Do you think I'm making this up?

 

[MarsKid]

i dont, i mean 'before stranger revealed her role was actually town', that'd be better wording there sorry


because it still doesnt make sense to me

Got it.

And I mean, agree to disagree there I guess. I've outlined it as best I can.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

1. Beginning of this day.
2. Why is this irrelevant?
3. He insists on lynching you and that everyone should follow because you are openly scum. Do you think I'm making this up?

1. could you quote it then please
2. because whether this is your only argument or not has no bearing on my point here
3. he thinks im obvious scum yeah but he doesnt think everyone else thinks that, he acknowledged earlier that hip didnt scumread me

 

[MarsKid]

also i visited tim last night (not saying what my action is!!!) (also im saying this so i can get it out of the way now incase somehow there was a watcher on tim and they accuse me IM INNOCENT I SWEAR) and tim was the tracker, meaning that this role that exposed boo would have to also be a tracker-esque role rather than a watcher who was watching tim and then announced everyone who visited him (unless i was blocked)

so either this a weakened watcher or a setup imo
alternatively im defending the person who killed tim haHAA
alternatively i killed tim!!!!!!!!!
maybe i shouldnt be posting this WOOPS

also i can 100% see this being a setup by inf since tim gave me that dislike rating so thats motive to kill him and then he was gonna bring this up later
but then why setup boo unless this was a fake frame so people thought boo was being framed and so is innocent when theyre mafia??

idk
ITS INF
vote infected_alien8_

i mean my conundrum is
i think inf is 100% scum
this broadcast + the way its being used (aka fake imo) is a mafia thing (also odds of watcher watching tim who was nightkilled is fairly low (admittedly i think tim was the most townread so the best kill option + i visited him so what am i talking about low odds))
i think the broadcast was worded pretty badly and obviously fake
i dont think inf would let that message pass if he was discussing it with his mafia buddies (maybe someone else has the ability)
at the same time its a very inf move (see fence + fence v2)
at the same time, given this ability, what else would you use it for

maybe inf is just an evil 3p and not mafia but i feel like hes mafia rather than evil 3p

Moog confirmed he made this argument fwiw.

 

[MarsKid]

I am also going to bed so tags for relevance.