let's not explode [day 5 - GAME OVER (MAFIA WIN)]

[Hunter]

i mean i'm still suspicious of ltin but this logic of "he claimed town!!! he must! be! town!!!!!!!" is barring him from being lynched today thanks to the sudden bandwagon on me

at least one of those bandwagoners is maf as said before and if I had to choose, it'd be inffy

 

[Aqua]

I did understand your arguments, I didn't agree with them, which exactly what you just quoted me saying a moment ago.
I'm not questioning the argument against hunter because I AM against hunter omg. Hunter would rather lynch a Town PR than cancel the lynch. How is that not Mafia?

YES MY JIMMIES ARE RUSTLED BECAUSE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

SO WHY, IFF SO ANTI-HUNTER THAT YOU WOULD BANDWAGON, WITHOUT A MOMENTS THOUGHT WOULD YOU NOT BRING THIS UP BEFORE!?!?!?!

You said it yourself, that you didn't want to bandwagon on suspicion just in case they're town, but that's what you're doing now. And I'm sorry, but you clearly were defending Ltin, so don't deny it, which is why we think your mafia. You're defending someone you supposedly have no connection with with no ulterior motive, that's suspicious. I'm going in the shower now so wont post for 10-20 mins, but be fore I do....

If anything, Inf changing his vote from Ltin to Hunter makes him seem more town to me. Like he has the best interrest for the town in mind. That doesn't mean I believe he is town (or Mafia), he is still in the grey area of idk what you are.

The only townread I have had so far this game is Ender. And besides some very weak suspicions on some people, Hunter is the only one that stands out from the rest at the moment for me.

LYNCH ALL CATS!?!?!?!?

 

[Aqua]

#unvote

#vote inffy

 

[Enderfive]

just realized the votes are tied and aqua/ender/me + mario are the only ones on ltin rn
so yeah

#unvote
#vote infected

a thing to note here for the people voting hunter, the only reasons he would switch votes like this are a) he's town and believes inf to be scum or b) he's scum and doesn't want to get lynched, so he's relying on us thinking option a) to "prove" his innocence

i'm leaning towards the former, it would be just too risky for hunter to attempt such a gamble (switching votes to inf, and in the process making him the player with most votes in a situation where he only has one clear ally) just hours before the deadline

 

[Hunter]

Hunter would rather lynch a Town PR than cancel the lynch. How is that not Mafia?

wait just noticed this

why the fuck would i shut down the lynch
we established nolynches are bad

 

[Ltin]

you said inf was def maf lmao why you questionin'
plus inf could be maf defending ltin because:
1. ltin is another maf actually?
2. ltin isn't actually maf and inf, being one himself, knew this, and defended him so he can be all "hey look i defended a townie!!!" later

Or maybe someone defends someone because they think they are not suspicious, or *gasp* they think a specific argument against someone doesn't hold water?

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I can only say this so many times but I defended ltin because to me he wasn't "trying too hard to act town".

I am voting hunter because we have to vote somebody and he is the most suspicious.

I never said I didn't defend ltin, I DID defend ltin because I thought he was town, I don't on the other hand think Hunter is. And of course I may be wrong about that but I have two options. Lynch Ltin, an uncc'd Town PR who I've townread the entire game. Or lynch Hunter, someone I'm suspicious of and others are too so it's likely it's possible to happen. Look from my perspective, of course I'm going to switch to hunter when other people decide to, of course I'm going to think Hunter is anti-town when he tries to get an uncc PR lynched. Of course I'm not going to say "guys I think hunter is suspicious" completely out of the blue with no evidence because that would be as ridiculous as voting off ltin. I voted hunter once I saw sufficient enough evidence that my suspicions were most likely correct.

And yes nolynches are bad but lynches on uncc Town PR are too, surely.

 

[Enderfive]

#unvote
#vote infected

for reasons stated above by other players + the fact that hunter is massively suspicious for not wanting a nolynch whereas i am not even though i've made an even stronger and clearer statement about preferring a townie lynch to a nolynch

the whole thing just seems like inffy found a target to latch on and suddenly was in suspicions with hunter all along to justify the sudden bandwagon

if this was true, it would also mean ltin is more likely to be scum (but not confirmed scum by any means)

 

[Ltin]

I'm sorry what?
Can some explain the inf thing to me?
I don't understand.

 

[Hunter]

mariosatr

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Ender I am also suspicious of you but people were voting hunter so why would I vote you over him.

Honestly I don't think there's much more I can say other than AHHHHHH

 

[Ltin]

Just for reference I think the current vote count is
Ltin: 2
Hunter: 5
Inf: 3

But don't quote me.

 

[Enderfive]

Ender I am also suspicious of

right and you say this after i vote you, not after i painfully obviously point out that i've been doing the thing you're suspicious of better, harder, stronger than hunter

seemslegit

 

[Infected_alien8_]

right and you say this after i vote you, not after i painfully obviously point out that i've been doing the thing you're suspicious of better, harder, stronger than hunter

seemslegit

YES BECAUSE I AM MORE SUSPICIOUS OF HUNTER SO MY ATTENTION HAS BEEN ON KILLING HIM AND I DON'T WANT TO GET LYNCHED AND SO I'M TRYING TO DEFEND MYSELF FROM YOU/ANYONE AGREEING WITH YOU

I SWEAR IF I DIE BECAUSE OF DEFENDING AN UNCC TOWN PR AND ATTACKING SOMEONE WHO I THOUGHT WAS SUSPICIOUS, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT EVERYONE DID WITH LTIN, I AM SO DONE LOL

 

[Aqua]

INFFY STOP IGNORING ME:

IF YOU THOUGHT HUNTER WAS SUSPICIOUS FROM THE GET GO, WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY ANYTHING, RATHER THAN JUMPING ON THE BAND WAGON WHEN OOG SUGGESTED IT?

AT LEAST NOW YOU'VE ADMITTED DEFENDING LTIN, BUT IF YOU THOUGHT HUNTER WAS LYNCH WORTHY, WHY WOULDN'T YOU BRING THAT UP IN LTINS DEFENCE?

 

[Infected_alien8_]

INFFY STOP IGNORING ME:

IF YOU THOUGHT HUNTER WAS SUSPICIOUS FROM THE GET GO, WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY ANYTHING, RATHER THAN JUMPING ON THE BAND WAGON WHEN OOG SUGGESTED IT?

AT LEAST NOW YOU'VE ADMITTED DEFENDING LTIN, BUT IF YOU THOUGHT HUNTER WAS LYNCH WORTHY, WHY WOULDN'T YOU BRING THAT UP IN LTINS DEFENCE?

I DIDNT IGNORE YOU I ANSWERED YOU AHHHHHH

Of course I'm not going to say "guys I think hunter is suspicious" completely out of the blue with no evidence because that would be as ridiculous as voting off ltin. I voted hunter once I saw sufficient enough evidence that my suspicions were most likely correct.

AND I NEVER SAID I WASN'T DEFENDING LTIN I ALWAYS SAID I DEFENDED HIM, I JUST SAID I WASN'T DEFENDING HIM COMPLETELY 100% BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT HE IS INNOCENT COMPLETELY 100%

 

[Aqua]

ALSO, WHY DID YOU VOTE LTIN IN THE FIRST PLACE, YOUR VOTE DIDN'T MATTER SINCE HE STILL HAD THE MAJORITY VOTE AND SINCE YOU CONTINUE TO SAY YOU NEVER THOUGHT LTIN WAS SUSPICIOUS, WHY DID YOU VOTE HIM AT A POINT WHEN ALL HOPE FOR LTIN WAS NEARLY LOST? THAT IS INCREDIBLY SCUMMY AS THAT IS WHAT ANY MAF WOULD DO, JOIN THE BANDWAGON LAST MINUTE JUST SO YOU HAVE SOME GROUND TO STAND ON WHEN THEY TURN MAFIA.

 

[Hunter]

Infected_alien8_ you seem stressed, perhaps you should lie down

 

[Infected_alien8_]

IM NOT STRESSED IM LAUGHING RIGHT NOW LOL BUT AQUA I SAID I VOTED BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE HAPPENING AND MUL + KALLIE BOTH SAW THE THREAD AND DIDNT VOTE SO WE NEEDED TO WRAP THE DAY UP SO I VOTED

 

[mariosatr]

#unvote
no counter-claims to ltin yet, if someone wants to convince us he's not drunk then counter-claim already
i've read over this a couple of times but am still undecided, it's still a little too bandwagony for my tastes, i mean you're bandwagoning because he jumped on one himself, though it is true his actions have been a little suspicious
plus as suspicious as they have been, they don't seem like the actions of a scum to me - as inffy said, he was trying to defend an un-cc'd drunk
there's still a couple more hours to muse over this yet.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

OMG GUYS PLS

DO I CLAIM OR WHAT

I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DOOOO

 

[Hunter]

how long until the deadline again

 

[Nottykitten]

IF YOU THOUGHT HUNTER INFFY WAS SUSPICIOUS FROM THE GET GO, WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY ANYTHING, RATHER THAN JUMPING ON THE BAND WAGON WHEN OOG HUNTER SUGGESTED IT

^ Same argument applies to you Aqua.

 

[Ltin]

Maybe we all need to calm down.

AND I NEVER SAID I WASN'T DEFENDING LTIN I ALWAYS SAID I DEFENDED HIM, I JUST SAID I WASN'T DEFENDING HIM COMPLETELY 100% BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT HE IS INNOCENT COMPLETELY 100%

This is some Catch-22 level shit.

"when did you not defend him?"
"I always did defend him"
"I didn't ask when did defend him, I asked him when you didn't!"

Fact: that was in the first draft.

I realized the sarcasm may not show through there, so uhh no, that's not an actual fact.

It's about 3 hours to the deadline.

 

[Aqua]

#unvote
no counter-claims to ltin yet, if someone wants to convince us he's not drunk then counter-claim already
i've read over this a couple of times but am still undecided, it's still a little too bandwagony for my tastes, i mean you're bandwagoning because he jumped on one himself, though it is true his actions have been a little suspicious
plus as suspicious as they have been, they don't seem like the actions of a scum to me - as inffy said, he was trying to defend an un-cc'd drunk
there's still a couple more hours to muse over this yet.

I think the reason why there may not be a counterclaim to drunk is either:
a) Ltin is the drunk (unlikely) and inffy is a 3rd party who needs him alive, since I think the drunk is the msot likely to revolve around a 3rd party, like duffies curfew enforcer, it's a role which could link in the sense that "it's easier to die" due to the whole gadget drunk interaction.
b) Drunk is drunk, therefore possibly has a secret part to it's role that means it cant vote and/or cc.
c) Afk.

Also if you unvote hunter's pretty much fucked more than Jolt's mum, so I suggest he claims so we can see if anybody cc's him. As for me, since Ik it may seem I have been defending hunter, which I sort of have, although I agree he is suspicious inf and ltin are more so, and since they're against hunter, I'm for him; but I wont claim or whatever tonight unless I have to, as if hunter fflips town I will probably be nightkilled by a butt hurt inf anyway.

So my suggestion from here is Inf and Hunter claim, if there are any CC's then that's great if one claims civ and is civ, that's unfortunate, but I see no other way.