Mafia: Saints & Sinners - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN
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There are, but it isn't much. In fact not that much, that I don't know if I can phrase it right. But in general it's about this sinners thing.
Excuse me
Aqua
Does anybody remember laughter?
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But there was literally 0 pressure on you to claim, other than alisha nobody had even mentioned you.
I don't buy it, I could believe you cracking under the pressure of an inf vote or 2-3 other town votes, but immediately claiming without prompt despite how painfully obvious we made it yesterday that you should not claim under ANY circumstance if you were a sinner seems insane to me.
My assumption is you made up a plan for a claim if suspicion on you rose but drinking and over confidence motivated you to announce it too early. You then did the classic "Hey look at me I'm SoOoOo DrUnK" meme to try to excuse any mistakes or suspicions that would rise from ur actions - don't worry bud, we've all had our first time drinking before :)
my vote stays, pretty sure inf is spot on with the prediction once again but we'll see after today. (That is if we don't lose immediately if fog was telling the truth)
I'm also interested in the deal with the devil not going through meme; I think despite fog lying about himself it may come from a place of truth that he could use to strengthen his claim.
I believe, perhaps to balance out the DWTD ability & especially if it does count towards the maf wincon, that only one DWTD can happen per night so if the devil targeted a different sinner either via hypnosis or another deal, he would ignore any other attempted deals that night.
Aqua
Does anybody remember laughter?
Mind elaborating rather than juxtaposing random buzzwords and phrases?
-Do you think all the sinners are telling the truth (and if not who)?
-What do you think the DWTD will result in (any of the current theories - or possibly your own)?
-Who are you most in favour of lynching today and who is the most likely townie IYO?
The real question is, why shouldn’t I have claimed? We didn’t have any info and screw it it’s unlikely I’m gonna survive too long as so far I’ve been told I’m in a mafia team with like half the players in the game. And I mean if you kill me, you get the confirmation that everything I have told you is true so eh! I just don’t see the point in sitting round not doing anything and not getting any closer to answers.
I believe Fog's claim despite all the weirdness surrounding it.
At first I was really pissed off that he didn't lynch me but I can almost understand what he was going for here, and from watching Fog's behavior in other games he's done this kind of thing before.
It makes sense to me that the Devil would reject a Mail ability request, because if the Devil approved, Fog could say 'Don't lynch me I can prove my action tomorrow night', and prove he had a Mail ability and have substantial evidence to prove he is indeed a sinner.
Fog could have lied and say I “did get the ability let me live another night“ and get one of his mafia buddies to corroborate his claim, but didn't take that route. (and even if Devil is acting alone, I imagine there would be some way of preventing this issue through alignment changes or whatnot)
Related to this, I believe the Devil nokilled last night to keep the focus on me and Fog for today.
At first I was really pissed off that he didn't lynch me but I can almost understand what he was going for here, and from watching Fog's behavior in other games he's done this kind of thing before.
It makes sense to me that the Devil would reject a Mail ability request, because if the Devil approved, Fog could say 'Don't lynch me I can prove my action tomorrow night', and prove he had a Mail ability and have substantial evidence to prove he is indeed a sinner.
Fog could have lied and say I “did get the ability let me live another night“ and get one of his mafia buddies to corroborate his claim, but didn't take that route. (and even if Devil is acting alone, I imagine there would be some way of preventing this issue through alignment changes or whatnot)
Related to this, I believe the Devil nokilled last night to keep the focus on me and Fog for today.
I think Inf is the mastermind behind these actions as he's been calculated and only picking fights that he can easily win, not fights that he genuinely thinks should help town. He's also clever enough to nokill and reject a Mail request, so away my vote goes;
vote Infected_Alien8_
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Votecount 2: Stuff Happens
Fog - Aqua [L-6]
Infected_Alien8_ - Fog, Alisha [L-5]
With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch and 6 votes to no-lynch. If hammer is not reached by the deadline, nobody will be lynched.
Day 1 Deadline
Fog - Aqua [L-6]
Infected_Alien8_ - Fog, Alisha [L-5]
With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch and 6 votes to no-lynch. If hammer is not reached by the deadline, nobody will be lynched.
Day 1 Deadline
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My apologies, and try to use simpler words with me. Appreciated.
I suspect that at least one sinner isn't townie.
Who exactly I obviously am not sure, but Fog seems quite towny to me with such a behavior, so I'd say Alisha or Tim. (What the hell is even DWTD?)
Alisha/Tim or Vat would seem like a good lynch for today to me. About town reads I'm not sure yet.
Aqua
Does anybody remember laughter?
I don't buy this at all - this just plays into fogs grand conspiracy of "halp everybody's out to get me"
The fact that you're trying to give him such an easy out without thinking it through pains me even more alisha... think logically here.
If fog's innocence was proven, what detriment would there be to the Devil?
You've said yourself that you believe there's definitely some mafia/devil positive that would come with taking a deal so the incentive that some random townie who, no offence fog, has had no real impact on the game and who's innocence wouldn't prove anything (as we've already established your knowledge of the sinner role could easily be mafia knowledge too.)
Plus at the end of this very post you share that you do think the devil has a nightkill, so why on earth would they worry about one proven townie when they can just kill them at any point if necessary.
Further the whole fog lying and corroborating with a mafia buddy doesn't check out one bit - there's no way at this stage in the game when there's already or at the very least going to be mounting pressure on fog due to the claim, it would be suicide for a fellow mafioso to tie themselves so closely to them.
Finally, can you elaborate on the nokill to keep focus part? I don't understand what that means, surely the best way to increase focus would be to nightkill inf or myself
Also once again idk why you think fog was number 1 lynch target today regardless of you surviving and the results of peoples night actions?
It is just a thought that popped into my head. But what if Timdood3 made a deal with the devil, and his consequence is that he isn't allowed to communicate with us during the day? Like I would have expected even just a short post from him by now.
I did make one post today (last night) in response to inf, saying that I didn't make a deal. So wrong on both counts
But I was thinking at work last night regarding Fog and his deal.
Obviously the devil stands to gain something from making deals.
I firmly don't believe in alignment shifting, so that's ruled out as far as I'm concerned.
My original hypothesis was that when a sinner makes a deal, the devil (or the mafia in general) gets a buff out of it as well.
However, upon critical thematic analysis (words I never thought I'd say) that kind of falls apart.
When two people make a deal, they give each other something. In this case, the devil gives the sinner a night action. But what does the sinner give the devil? The sinner has no night action to offer. The obvious answer is "thier soul," but what does that mean in the context of this game?
I don't think it means death. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but traditionally isn't someone who's made a deal with the devil allowed to live the rest of their life before joining the devil in hell? Obviously nothing stops the devil from killing them prematurely, but that's neither here nor there.
This could be support for a form of Aqua's "eliminate sinners" theory as a wincon, but if the goal is to kill sinners after they've made a deal, why would he reject one? Much less a mail deal. Imo mail is the worst option we have to choose from.
The only reasonable conclusion is that whatever the devil would've gotten out of fog's deal, they didn't value it at all.
But I want to hear more about Fog's night chat. You know who you were talking to, right? It wasn't anonymous? And was it a one night thing or do you still/will you continue to have access to it?
The point there is that Fog had an easy out and didn't take it.
Fog being proven innocent would remove a suspicious townie from the potential mislynch pool, Fog is not a random townie.
Inf is scum so he can't nightkill himself! You're also heavily pushing the current suspects so you're a vote in scum's favor right now!
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