Mafia: Saints & Sinners - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

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Pretty sure alisha was 1 vote from death so you would be hammering by voting her... also that concept makes no sense and is the most unhelpful anti-town logic
Day 0 Final Votecount
Infected_Alien8_ - Vatumok [L-6]
Vatumok - HKCaper [L-6]
Alisha - Infected_Alien8_, Aqua, HKCaper, Unusual_Dood, Alisha [L-2]
Aqua - Fog [L-6]
BetaPanda - sessybessy [L-6]

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How about no?
 

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that could be from a place of gullibility and 'newbie-ness' than trying too hard to blend in.
i think its just how she plays, she did the same with me last game, echoeing my opinions a lot and was by far the easiest to persuade on my reads, and at one point i got paranoid she was just sheeping me as scum, and she was town

i townread her this game too
 

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I just didn't see alisha as a viable lynch yet yesterday but I'd be willing to get back on her later is all that I meant.
The reason why I don't like fog lynch is that a lot of people are just willing to wagon on him and nobody besides me is trying to protect him. Unless you think fog and me are scum and are that bad it wouldn't make much sense for everyone to pile on us without defense. Meanwhile inffy and HK are trying to push this narrative soflty which IMO makes them suspicious because there is little logic behind it and looks more setting up mislynches. I think looking at one of them for today's lynch is the way to go.

vote HKCaper
nice
 

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I will say that I was contacted by a player last night who I doubt is the devil (because I straight up wooed them in an online chatroom and the devil STILL rejected my deal) but I shan't name them until they claim as I promised them I wouldn't.
I'm this player. My role is litterally the exact same as last game, except that I am not anonymous. (Can choose someone at day and will have a night chat with them. My action counts as a night visit)

I don’t think I said that, but if I did the fact that they haven’t stepped up has made me a lot more suspicious. I said I’d follow their lead but they haven't said anything.
I asked if they wanted to confirm that we spoke last night and they didn’t give me too much to work with, but it was agreed that we would say that we spoke and then if they wanted to expand upon the point more, then I would follow their lead as to how much they wanted to reveal
I never agreed upon stepping up. You said we should hint at the idea of the conversation, which is a good idea so my claim is believed later. With that I wasn't expecting a straight up claim, followed by a 'they must claim today or I'll out them'.

And you specifically said you would follow my lead and go along with what I wanted to reveal. Clearly this is not what happened, so don't try to incrimate me for you not sticking to your idea.

I submit it during the day? I don’t know if they receive it then - or maybe they get put automatically in chats with anybody who attempts to make a deal?
Then how would that explain the name of the chat. If my night chat is mechanical (not chosen by me), then you would expect that especially the name of the chat is, and Neighbor Chat is not what you would call the name of the devils chat.

I will say that I was contacted by a player last night who I doubt is the devil (because I straight up wooed them in an online chatroom and the devil STILL rejected my deal) but I shan't name them until they claim as I promised them I wouldn't.
I never promised them that I wouldn’t, I said I would wait for them. But if they’re gonna be shady then I’m happy to out them
This is contradictory.

Now, there was other noteworthy things also said in the chat, but at first I would like to know what Fog thinks about what I've just said.
 

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I never agreed upon stepping up. You said we should hint at the idea of the conversation, which is a good idea so my claim is believed later. With that I wasn't expecting a straight up claim, followed by a 'they must claim today or I'll out them'.
This seems weird? Why would fog devise/suggest a strategy to convince people about your claim?

Surely he has no idea your alignment so why would he suggest hinting at the conversation early on so when you do claim later it's more believable?

It's also weird because if fog suggested it why DID he fully come out and drag you out with him?

Unusual_Dood mind quoting exactly what was said in the dm?
 

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Well not literally forum quoting obviously but typing out in an accurate manner to give us a full sense of intent and realism
I was hoping for Fogs response first, since if he disagrees to my points, he admits to me that he is blatantly lying.

However, if more people want me to phrase what was said before his response I mean sure, I can do that.
 

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I'm this player. My role is litterally the exact same as last game, except that I am not anonymous. (Can choose someone at day and will have a night chat with them. My action counts as a night visit)



I never agreed upon stepping up. You said we should hint at the idea of the conversation, which is a good idea so my claim is believed later. With that I wasn't expecting a straight up claim, followed by a 'they must claim today or I'll out them'.

And you specifically said you would follow my lead and go along with what I wanted to reveal. Clearly this is not what happened, so don't try to incrimate me for you not sticking to your idea.


Then how would that explain the name of the chat. If my night chat is mechanical (not chosen by me), then you would expect that especially the name of the chat is, and Neighbor Chat is not what you would call the name of the devils chat.



This is contradictory.

Now, there was other noteworthy things also said in the chat, but at first I would like to know what Fog thinks about what I've just said.
Hello again bby <3

Yes It was Unu who visited me in the night. Was wonderful.

To be exact, I did ask unu if he wanted to reveal that he had this night chat feature and he said he wasn't sure. So I then asked if we should hint at the idea of a convo in case I died and he wanted to claim later in the game. But then I got no verbal response from him so I said I'd leave It up to him to see how much he wanted to reveal, but then I stated I had a conversation and nobody really seemed to care.

How do you know that Neighbor Chat isn't the name of the devil's chat? In past games, there have been roles that are allowed to name the groups for when they are created. Also, I doubt that Stranger would call a chat Devil's chat in a game where the devil is a negative entity.

It may have contradicted myself in the thread, however, in our chat I never promised you anything.

I would be interested to hear about the noteworthy things that happened in the chat tho <3
 

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Hello again bby <3

Yes It was Unu who visited me in the night. Was wonderful.

To be exact, I did ask unu if he wanted to reveal that he had this night chat feature and he said he wasn't sure. So I then asked if we should hint at the idea of a convo in case I died and he wanted to claim later in the game. But then I got no verbal response from him so I said I'd leave It up to him to see how much he wanted to reveal, but then I stated I had a conversation and nobody really seemed to care.

(...)

It may have contradicted myself in the thread, however, in our chat I never promised you anything.
This doesn't explain why you are trying to incrimate me when based on what was said in the chat you were the one completly deviating from the plan, and says I'm the one acting shady.

And I liked your post about hinting about the conversation, so you knew I was fine with the plan.

How do you know that Neighbor Chat isn't the name of the devil's chat? In past games, there have been roles that are allowed to name the groups for when they are created. Also, I doubt that Stranger would call a chat Devil's chat in a game where the devil is a negative entity.
Examples?

I would be interested to hear about the noteworthy things that happened in the chat tho <3
First you said you were more suspicious of me because of the chat because you didn't believe my claim would town because you couldn't see why such a role would be added in the first place. However, two of such said role was added last game, which also was created by Stranger and that game had even less players.

Then secondly the way didn't claim but instead you soft claimed. In general as town there are two reasons I can see for why you wouldn't claim in that situation:

1) You're PR and you think I'm mafia. If you claim, you're afraid mafia will kill you.
2) You're not PR and think I'm mafia. You want mafias to believe the reason you are not claiming is because you're PR.

However, with the way you soft claimed (noteworthy also that this was at the last stage of the night) neither of these applies. The soft claim was (phrased):

"I am not a threat to either town or mafia, and at this point of the game I can't do anything special, however with how things are set up by Stranger, who knows. (emoji)".
 

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And I liked your post about hinting about the conversation, so you knew I was fine with the plan.
Yes, you liked the post, but then you didn’t actually respond to any messages past that point. It was just me saying things with very little input from yourself

First you said you were more suspicious of me because of the chat because you didn't believe my claim would town because you couldn't see why such a role would be added in the first place.
I still think this is true, like what purpose in this game would somebody being able to have night chats have - also the fact that you originally tried to pretend that you had no idea why the chat was occurring. And if you played a similar role last game wouldn’t it be easy to fake claim.

(noteworthy also that this was at the last stage of the night)
The last stage of the night? I can say there were over 24 hours between the time I soft claimed and the night ended - in which you said practically if not literally nothing. I’d be surprised if anybody in my position just straight up claimed their role in a

"I am not a threat to either town or mafia, and at this point of the game I can't do anything special
Again this is true, interesting how you decided to omit the part where I said that I was town aligned. But I had attempted to make a deal with the devil (which was rejected) but at the time of speaking I had no chance of having any powers.
 
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