Tavern Arcana - Mafia Win

[Nottykitten]

Also nobody else has come forward to say their card is surprisingly innocent, which makes me think this has something to it, and the idea isn't "cards seem like they might mean one thing but mean something else". If it was then why are you the only one who's spoken up notty

Because my card litterally means that there is a bige change in the future and you're not understanding any symbolism of the destruction. It doesnt 'seem like they mean one thing but mean something else' it litterally means one thing but you're not getting it and instead giving it a bad meaning

 

[Nottykitten]

Where'd you get that from

Gee I don't know maybe the wiki and other sites i've looked my card up on

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Gee I don't know maybe the wiki and other sites i've looked my card up on

Can you give a link to where a website says that then

 

[Infected_alien8_]

That's what I meant by "where", I know you obviously got it from a website

 

[Nottykitten]

Can you give a link to where a website says that then

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tower_(Tarot_card)

you're welcome

 

[Infected_alien8_]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tower_(Tarot_card)

you're welcome

Nowhere on that page does it mention life changes

 

[Nottykitten]

Nowhere on that page does it mention life changes

'and is associated with sudden, disruptive, revelation, and potentially destructive change. '
'meaning danger, crisis, sudden change, destruction, higher learning, and liberation.'

Tarot cards are used to predict your future aka change = life change, potentially destructive but still change.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

'and is associated with sudden, disruptive, revelation, and potentially destructive change. '
'meaning danger, crisis, sudden change, destruction, higher learning, and liberation.'

Tarot cards are used to predict your future aka change = life change, potentially destructive but still change.

So what part of a destructive life change screams town role to you

 

[Nottykitten]

So what part of a destructive life change screams town role to you

Gee idk let me claim my power so you'd understand except I won't

Here have another reading http://tarotofempowerment.com/16-chaos/

 

[Iggish]

Except destruction is litterally a metaphor for life changes

Isn't that Death? From what I saw the tower was about destruction and signified bad things to come but idk

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Gee idk let me claim my power so you'd understand except I won't

Here have another reading http://tarotofempowerment.com/16-chaos/

I mean out of all the cards and interpretations of them, if like 5 had to be Mafia, surely you can understand why I might think the "destructive change" one is a likely candidate

I can think of a couple town roles it *could* be though

 

[HKCaper]

Here we are having a nice philosophical conversation on the meaning of tarot cards. Yes feelsgood.

Also on the website i found, it does say the tower indicates a change in life, but it says the changes are along the lines of something catastrophic, disasterous and overall negative. Tell me notty, does that sound more like a scum or more like a town card? (if you say it will make sense later why you are in fact town, ill believe you for now, but just answer me this, unrelated to you this game)

 

[Nottykitten]

Here we are having a nice philosophical conversation on the meaning of tarot cards. Yes feelsgood.

Also on the website i found, it does say the tower indicates a change in life, but it says the changes are along the lines of something catastrophic, disasterous and overall negative. Tell me notty, does that sound more like a scum or more like a town card? (if you say it will make sense later why you are in fact town, ill believe you for now, but just answer me this, unrelated to you this game)

Knowing what my power is it makes perfect sense to me for it to be town, plus it isn't neccesairily bad change and from what I read the destruction is more focussed on how big it is as in destroy your old values/life and rise anew.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Knowing what my power is it makes perfect sense to me for it to be town, plus it isn't neccesairily bad change and from what I read the destruction is more focussed on how big it is as in destroy your old values/life and rise anew.

So since you believe the interpretation of the card is concretely linked to the role, what roles do you think each card has?

 

[Infected_alien8_]

And notty the fact still remains that I asked people to confirm whether they had reason to believe their cards may have a surprising alignment, bearing in mind the list I gave, and only you have spoken up

Therefore it seems likely that those roles I listed are in fact Mafia - at least the majority of them - who are planning on ccing others later on

It's possible they are townies who are just not speaking up but we'll see I guess

 

[Nottykitten]

So since you believe the interpretation of the card is concretely linked to the role, what roles do you think each card has?

I'm not going to write that and with role I mean power not alignment

 

[HKCaper]

Thats not what i asked notty, but it satisfies me for now.

Also, i just dont want to vote no lynch, but do want to vote, and was considering votng inffy, since he seems off to me. Then he just posted another post that feels off to me.

So since you believe the interpretation of the card is concretely linked to the role, what roles do you think each card has?

Have i not made clear how sure i am characters are linked to role? Any info about roles linked to characters could give info, why help scum with possible role/characters combos?

vote inffy also never got to vote inffy for bantz since i joined 'late', so possibly this is just to make inffy stop trying to fiddle possible harmful info out of town.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I'm not going to write that and with role I mean power not alignment

Okay

well if your role is 'potentially destructive' why should we even keep you alive? Tower has nothing to do with 'good' in its interpretations so if your card links to your role then surely it's only purpose is to make some kind of change that might screw town over in the end, so why not sacrifice you???

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Have i not made clear how sure i am characters are linked to role? Any info about roles linked to characters could give info, why help scum with possible role/characters combos?

vote inffy also never got to vote inffy for bantz since i joined 'late', so possibly this is just to make inffy stop trying to fiddle possible harmful info out of town.

"why try to figure out what roles people have, it will help mafia!"

:thinking:

 

[Nottykitten]

And notty the fact still remains that I asked people to confirm whether they had reason to believe their cards may have a surprising alignment, bearing in mind the list I gave, and only you have spoken up

What happened to the number two and Hk???

Therefore it seems likely that those roles I listed are in fact Mafia - at least the majority of them - who are planning on ccing others later on

It's not likely at all. Youve been through this before but there is no way that the hosts use a system where everyone is a different card and make the ones deemed 'bad' the Mafia because people would just mass claim and the game would be over. If you really want to find out vote no lynch and you'll probably see one of your deemed evil cards dead as town and not because I am a Mafia who can target cards not people but because your list is wrong. CCing is a deathwish for Mafia so even if it were somehow magically true that the 'bad' roles are Mafia then why on earth would me and Hk be the only ones to come forward(besides the fact that your list is stupid and two people have already come forward so theres no reason to actually claim to be one of those cards anymore).

 

[HKCaper]

people to confirm whether they had reason to believe their cards may have a surprising alignment, bearing in mind the list I gave, and only you have spoken up

Also are you frikin kidding me, I ALSO SAID YOUR LIST WAS WRONG DIDNT WE ESTABLISH THIS REEE

 

[HKCaper]

why try to figure out what roles people have, it will help mafia!"

This is ignorant, if we try to figure out what characters could have what roles, and someones characters gets out (like notty's, iggy's and aqua's character alreayd are), this could make it easier for scum to target out of the 'pool of strong pr' s'. Also i made it clear enough, and so did notty if i dont misunderstand her, that role and characters are in fact strongly connected. Why help mafia to info, they might not figure out themselves?

 

[Infected_alien8_]

What happened to the number two and Hk???


It's not likely at all. Youve been through this before but there is no way that the hosts use a system where everyone is a different card and make the ones deemed 'bad' the Mafia because people would just mass claim and the game would be over. If you really want to find out vote no lynch and you'll probably see one of your deemed evil cards dead as town and not because I am a Mafia who can target cards not people but because your list is wrong. CCing is a deathwish for Mafia so even if it were somehow magically true that the 'bad' roles are Mafia then why on earth would me and Hk be the only ones to come forward(besides the fact that your list is stupid and two people have already come forward so theres no reason to actually claim to be one of those cards anymore).

Two people, there are still 4 left (or 5 i forgot)

You say there's "no way" but there is, forgive me if I've become a little skeptical of the balance of these mafia games but I think if I point to the last several we can see that dismissing a possibility because it's unbalanced is not a waterproof way of playing mafia

And because maybe the mafia think they stand more chance if they stay quiet so that they can find some excuse to not have spoken up earlier, giving them freedom to either cc or claim one of those roles, depending on the situation. They might see claiming those roles as a death wish too, depends on who they are and their perspective.

And there is reason to still come forward because there's no reason not to and it will help since it restricts mafia's options if everyone steps forward

Also are you frikin kidding me, I ALSO SAID YOUR LIST WAS WRONG DIDNT WE ESTABLISH THIS REEE

So 2 people did, and you said you were one of them who wasn't 'clearly' scummy but one of the more gray area ones. So if 'evilness' and 'mafia' aren't connected, where's the devil and death to step forward as an anonymous "my role is wrong"?

 

[Infected_alien8_]

This is ignorant, if we try to figure out what characters could have what roles, and someones characters gets out (like notty's, iggy's and aqua's character alreayd are), this could make it easier for scum to target out of the 'pool of strong pr' s'. Also i made it clear enough, and so did notty if i dont misunderstand her, that role and characters are in fact strongly connected. Why help mafia to info, they might not figure out themselves?

Except we can use this to figure out who's mafia, not who's a powerful town role

It's not dificult to just say "i think X Y Z roles are mafia because A B C" and leave out any other 'who's cop' theories

 

[Nottykitten]

Okay

well if your role is 'potentially destructive' why should we even keep you alive? Tower has nothing to do with 'good' in its interpretations so if your card links to your role then surely it's only purpose is to make some kind of change that might screw town over in the end, so why not sacrifice you???

Don't keep me alive go ahead and place your vote on me then, clearly you're one of the amazing 'good' roles who am I to convince you after already having said 50 times that there is good interpretation and you're ignoring/not getting it but instead your gracious self ignores actual interpretation and focusses on false prophecies