Tavern Arcana - Mafia Win

[Infected_alien8_]

Don't keep me alive go ahead and place your vote on me then, clearly you're one of the amazing 'good' roles who am I to convince you after already having said 50 times that there is good interpretation and you're ignoring/not getting it but instead your gracious self ignores actual interpretation and focusses on false prophecies

What's this 'good' interpretation then? All you've said is that it's about potentially destructive life changes, how is that a 'good' interpretation?

 

[hipmeow]

i think all the cards have no relation to being evil or good. plus even if they were, not everyone is going to agree if one is evil or if one is good so generally i find all of this kinda pointless. but then again inf loves pointless stuff.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

i think all the cards have no relation to being evil or good. plus even if they were, not everyone is going to agree if one is evil or if one is good so generally i find all of this kinda pointless. but then again inf loves pointless stuff.

make a case for why a destructive tower is 'good' and I'll accept your argument

also why do you think the cards have no relation to good or evil? several people have confirmed that they're linked to their roles, which means they'll have at least some link to alignment. you can't have a townie godfather

 

[Mooglie]

we should have a better understanding of a card's relation to alignment DAY 1

YOU HAVE ADMITTED NOTTY IS STUBBORN BEFORE INF
DID YOU GET THEM TO CLAIM THEIR NAME LAST GAME (even tho it wouldnt have mattered due to jivvi's death anyway)
NO
GIVE UP

 

[Infected_alien8_]

we should have a better understanding of a card's relation to alignment DAY 1

YOU HAVE ADMITTED NOTTY IS STUBBORN BEFORE INF
DID YOU GET THEM TO CLAIM THEIR NAME LAST GAME (even tho it wouldnt have mattered due to jivvi's death anyway)
NO
GIVE UP

I just want them to give me a good reason not to want them dead since I don't want to lynch notty but if she's mafia then I HAVE NO CHOICE so notty make like p!nk and

JUST GIVE ME A REASON just a LITTLE BITS ENOUGH

 

[Nottykitten]

And because maybe the mafia think they stand more chance if they stay quiet so that they can find some excuse to not have spoken up earlier, giving them freedom to either cc or claim one of those roles, depending on the situation. They might see claiming those roles as a death wish too, depends on who they are and their perspective.

You cant accuse the 'bad' cards of being Mafia for staying silent and accusing me of being Mafia for not staying silent and trying to 'disprove' your claims. Youre honestly just trying to throw shade on those cards for litterally every possible action they could do. You're not scumhunting you're just trying to make them seem guilty which is a very scum move on your part.

And there is reason to still come forward because there's no reason not to and it will help since it restricts mafia's options if everyone steps forward


So 2 people did, and you said you were one of them who wasn't 'clearly' scummy but one of the more gray area ones. So if 'evilness' and 'mafia' aren't connected, where's the devil and death to step forward as an anonymous "my role is wrong"?

Because THEY DON'T HAVE TO CLAIM there is 0 reason for them to except for you to try and make them seem guilty. Them claiming their card has as much merit as you claiming your card you're just trying waaaaay to hard to shade them.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

You cant accuse the 'bad' cards of being Mafia for staying silent and accusing me of being Mafia for not staying silent and trying to 'disprove' your claims. Youre honestly just trying to throw shade on those cards for litterally every possible action they could do. You're not scumhunting you're just trying to make them seem guilty which is a very scum move on your part.


Because THEY DON'T HAVE TO CLAIM there is 0 reason for them to except for you to try and make them seem guilty. Them claiming their card has as much merit as you claiming your card you're just trying waaaaay to hard to shade them.

No, if they claim those cards they won't necessarily seem evil

The whole idea is that for example if we have 6 people come forward saying their role seems evil but isn't, then our cop dips into those 6 and we use that to disprove/prove the fact that cards = role = allignment

Them stepping forward will mean each of them has more strong defence together for not being mafia

Since it's just you alone saying you have an obviously maf role but it's town, your argument is weak

If 6 of you said the same then naturally I wouldn't be wanting to lynch one of them since it'd seem less likely they're scum, and the cop would go into one of them

 

[Nottykitten]

I just want them to give me a good reason not to want them dead since I don't want to lynch notty but if she's mafia then I HAVE NO CHOICE so notty make like p!nk and

JUST GIVE ME A REASON just a LITTLE BITS ENOUGH

I am Mafia you're 100% right I am a destructive tower soon I will make everyone explode, make like a tower and rise to a higher plane of existence. go ahead and lynch me boy

I mean why wouldn't I say things like that it you've seemed to ignore everything I said to defend myself I''ve repeated 10 times how my card isn't bad maybe you're just not reading my messages at all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Mooglie]

I just want them to give me a good reason not to want them dead since I don't want to lynch notty but if she's mafia then I HAVE NO CHOICE

there's no definite proof that role names are linked to alignment yet
you say that since people have agreed with you that their good-guy card names -> town alignment is evidence supporting it but a) thats not definite proof since they could be yknow LYING and b) theres 2 people (notty & hk) saying that their bad-guy card names -> town alignment

altho im sorta vibing notty too (but i like never get accurate reads on notty so who am i to speak) i dont think theres enough justification for a lynch yet & you seem to be equally as stubborn to not give up the questioning and A BRICK WALL VS A BRICK WALL WILL LIKELY END IN A STALEMATE SO JUST END THE DAY AAA

 

[hipmeow]

you can't have a townie godfather

??? when did godfather come into this

make a case for why a destructive tower is 'good' and I'll accept your argument

you mean a tower which represents destructive change and lets be honest change can be construed as good

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I am Mafia you're 100% right I am a destructive tower soon I will make everyone explode, make like a tower and rise to a higher plane of existence. go ahead and lynch me boy

I mean why wouldn't I say things like that it you've seemed to ignore everything I said to defend myself I''ve repeated 10 times how my card isn't bad maybe you're just not reading my messages at all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

quote where you gave a decent argument as to a potential 'good' interpretation of your card, or if you can't, make one now

surely you can understand that from my perspective, you have said your card links to your role, and your card is a 'DESTRUCTIVE CHANGE', and some of these cards are Mafia cards so naturally I'm inclined to be suspicious

 

[Nottykitten]

The whole idea is that for example if we have 6 people come forward saying their role seems evil but isn't, then our cop dips into those 6 and we use that to disprove/prove the fact that cards = role = allignment

Why doesn't the cop just dip into me? Or even hk if thats what you want, why have 4 more people claim when the cop can only investigate one person per night?

Since it's just you alone saying you have an obviously maf role but it's town, your argument is weak

Are you purposefully ignoring Hk's messages aswell?

 

[Infected_alien8_]

there's no definite proof that role names are linked to alignment yet
you say that since people have agreed with you that their good-guy card names -> town alignment is evidence supporting it but a) thats not definite proof since they could be yknow LYING and b) theres 2 people (notty & hk) saying that their bad-guy card names -> town alignment

altho im sorta vibing notty too (but i like never get accurate reads on notty so who am i to speak) i dont think theres enough justification for a lynch yet & you seem to be equally as stubborn to not give up the questioning and A BRICK WALL VS A BRICK WALL WILL LIKELY END IN A STALEMATE SO JUST END THE DAY AAA

Yeah but hk's is a gray area one, I'm assuming he's like the empress or something, which is one of the weaker 'mafia' ones and one that has less of a clear link to it

Notty is the only person with a really scummy card whos said its town

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Why doesn't the cop just dip into me? Or even hk if thats what you want, why have 4 more people claim when the cop can only investigate one person per night?


Are you purposefully ignoring Hk's messages aswell?

Because there's possibly a mafia witch role that can interfere with the report so to have the report more vague and unknown is better

those 4 people wont be claiming their role so it's not dangerous, they'll be claiming to be in a pool of like 6 roles

 

[Mooglie]

I'm The Paranoid and I kill anyone who visits me.

also is this like 'kill anyone who visits me' thing still like truthful about ur role or

 

[hipmeow]

Notty is the only person with a really scummy card whos said its town

idk why u think a dodgy sounding card is a good enough reason to lynch someone. no one here knows if they have any relation to alignment why would u think anyone else vote JUST GIVE UP

 

[Nottykitten]

Because there's possibly a mafia witch role that can interfere with the report so to have the report more vague and unknown is better

those 4 people wont be claiming their role so it's not dangerous, they'll be claiming to be in a pool of like 6 roles

Except as two people have already claimed, cards are strongly linked to role so they would essentially be full claiming

 

[Nottykitten]

quote where you gave a decent argument as to a potential 'good' interpretation of your card, or if you can't, make one now

surely you can understand that from my perspective, you have said your card links to your role, and your card is a 'DESTRUCTIVE CHANGE', and some of these cards are Mafia cards so naturally I'm inclined to be suspicious

Hello I'm Inf I am an Intjpjjfjpft personality type which is a very special personality case where I resent all change, some might say I have a change phobia and any kind of change in this world is bad please don't end this sentence the change of words to a full stop scare me.

Also heres your quotes you dummy <3

Except destruction is litterally a metaphor for life changes and the devil part is how it's played in tarot card games and if you're looking into the card games then don't bother with symbolic meaning of how it tends to be played after a devil card.

Because my card litterally means that there is a bige change in the future and you're not understanding any symbolism of the destruction. It doesnt 'seem like they mean one thing but mean something else' it litterally means one thing but you're not getting it and instead giving it a bad meaning

Gee idk let me claim my power so you'd understand except I won't

Here have another reading http://tarotofempowerment.com/16-chaos/

Knowing what my power is it makes perfect sense to me for it to be town, plus it isn't neccesairily bad change and from what I read the destruction is more focussed on how big it is as in destroy your old values/life and rise anew.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

??? when did godfather come into this

you mean a tower which represents destructive change and lets be honest change can be construed as good

i was giving an example of why role links to allignment

people have said their card links to their role

therefore, since this is mafia, that will naturally have a link to their allignment, in some cases at least

 

[hipmeow]

also id thought id say i do suspect inf currently so ill leave my vote as is

 

[Infected_alien8_]

also is this like 'kill anyone who visits me' thing still like truthful about ur role or

no

Hello I'm Inf I am an Intjpjjfjpft personality type which is a very special personality case where I resent all change, some might say I have a change phobia and any kind of change in this world is bad please don't end this sentence the change of words to a full stop scare me.

Also heres your quotes you dummy <3

"destructive change"

"destructive"

"d e s t r u c t i v e"

g e e i wonder if this is a good change or a bad change

 

[hipmeow]

people have said their card links to their role

therefore, since this is mafia, that will naturally have a link to their allignment, in some cases at least

so u think theres a card which is a godfather type ordealo???

 

[Infected_alien8_]

so u think theres a card which is a godfather type ordealo???

probably, there's the one that's about being in disguise that could be godfather/miller, there's also the emporer who is likened to a God, who could make sense to be godfather

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Also notty none of those quotes are of you giving a 'good' interpretation to your card

 

[Enderfive]

the current theory propagated by inf and co is that in a game with not one, but two co-hosts, who spent days, possibly weeks balancing their game, the likeliest distribution of scum roles relies on neither of said co-hosts realising that it would make the game extremely unbalanced once figured out?

this is why no one ever likes your theories inf