Tavern Arcana - Mafia Win

[Iggish]

I think wanting to lynch you is a bit scummy, and it makes me supicious of iggish.


I want to make a deal, I would be fine with lynching you today, but I am not quite sure if I can get the others aboard.

(Feel free to tell me if there are any flaws in my logic, or if you just dont want to do this.)

 

[Danni122112]

Righto, I will not add any fancy pics, or stuff like that, but I will write it the best I can with as much information if possible.

I will not be arguing about what I have done earlier in the game, as I have already explained most of it, you can bring it up if you want to talk about it.

I will go slightly in on a few things that makes my role claim stronger, if anyone remains unconvinced, I will add more stuff, It's just a bitch to find posts in a 95 pages game.


I am the Hierophant.

Allignment: Town
Win condition: All threats to town eliminated
Night action: Target one player, recieve their alligment at the end of the night.

(Means I am Cop/seer) I only see wether someone is town/Mafia/3rd party, no other info.


Night: 1
I checked inffy, I thought inffy was playing the game weird, and I changed it thrice between him and notty.
Inffy came up as third party

Night: 2
I checked notty, because that was basically what I have been wanting to do the entire day, check her in the night.
Notty came up as Mafia

Night: 3
I checked hipman, dont really remember why, either way:
Hipman came up as town

Night 4:
I checked Dess, because I thought his card was scummy as fuck, and it was weird having two people with the same ability (I trusted roob more than dess). I was surprised that with a scummy card:
Dess came up as town

Night 5:
I checked TWG, several people has mentioned TWG as a scum candidate, and his card, and the meaning behind it, is also scummy, surprisngly enough:
TWG came up as town.

So what useful info I have, if you trust me is that these 3 people are Town:
TheWeakGuy
Dess
Danni122112

I am pretty confident that none of these are mafia, as the god father role is already dead (thank fucking god I was planning to check Mulbery and would probably have lost us the game arguing for her innocence)



Righto, I hope we dont waste too much time on discussing my claim, but I am pretty sure I have more than enough evidence to make it believeable.

I have been yelling about us having a cop since like, early d2. Like literally it was probably stupid, and im surprised im not dead yet, but I have been talking about it since d2 all the time.

We are one Cop short. The last time I mentioned that we probably have a cop, someone said it was probably Aqua, but we know now that he was 1 shot Vig or whatever. This game is one Cop short. It would be really weird to not have a proper cop in a game this large, who on earth would make a god faster role (mulbery) when the only one able to check her otherwise would be foggy. (You may also notice, that every other ability foggy has, is from another role, unless I am bad at readying and got it wrong)

Righto, so before you guys tear me apart, please adress my good points in this, and provide counterarguments to those. Read what I typed here slowly, and think about it before you yell "but dannuh support notty". No I did not support notty. I wanted to wait a day, and I voted for her the next day.

I will be happy to answer proper questions though.

I have probably forgot to type something here, so ask away

 

[Danni122112]

Also, please dont hammer anything, before everyone has had their say.

We got 5 days.

We need to make a proper plan on how to round this game off, before we end.

I will be dead come morning, unless the mafia are actually stupid, or we somehow win tonight, so please, let us plan this out before we hammer.

 

[Danni122112]

Also Enderfive Had you figured out I was the cop? I am pretty sure rune did right before he died, though it might have been something else.

Anyone else that suspected it?

 

[Danni122112]

I have read through today's post liek three times now.

I am unsure of who can be mafia or town, except for those I have checked.

I will most likely follow the advice from
Dess
Enderfive
TheWeakGuy48_

mostly in that order.

 

[myusername22]

last night I watched danni who had no visitors. (honestly at this point in the game I'm wondering if i'm ever going to get a report that doesn't say no visits).

This is a surprising turn of events. I want to trust Danni, but who claims to be the cop on day 5? like unusal said previously there could easily be two mafia left, and if that's the case there's a high chance that today is mylo.

Danni122112 why wouldn't you out yesterday with the information you did have? you've cleared dessern and since the mafia had a godfather they must've known there'd be a cop in the game, so if what you're saying is true then it's a miracle they haven't killed you.

 

[myusername22]

Besides that, I could've watched you (and I did) to make sure you didn't die.

 

[Danni122112]

Besides that, I could've watched you (and I did) to make sure you didn't die.

what, how the hell does your role work?

the doc we have just says "watcher"

 

[Danni122112]

Danni122112 why wouldn't you out yesterday with the information you did have? you've cleared dessern and since the mafia had a godfather they must've known there'd be a cop in the game, so if what you're saying is true then it's a miracle they haven't killed you.

becuase our doctor is dead, and I would prefer to have as much information as possible, before outing?

no reason to claim cop unless you have useful info or are forced to? (sorry if im playing wrong, but this made sense in my head)

 

[myusername22]

It's simple. If I had publicly announced to watch you the mafia probably wouldn't risk killing you since I'd see them visit you and call them out the next day. I can do the same thing tonight. Then if you die we would at least have one confirmed mafia the next day.

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[myusername22]

becuase our doctor is dead, and I would prefer to have as much information as possible, before outing?

no reason to claim cop unless you have useful info or are forced to? (sorry if im playing wrong, but this made sense in my head)

Makes sense. I just wanted to see your answer.

I feel like I believe your claim, but just need some time to think about where to go from here.

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[Danni122112]

It's simple. If I had publicly announced to watch you the mafia probably wouldn't risk killing you since I'd see them visit you and call them out the next day. I can do the same thing tonight. Then if you die we would at least have one confirmed mafia the next day.

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can you tell me exactly what your role is again, I literally dont understand

 

[myusername22]

I visit one player each night. In the morning I receive a report of everyone who has visited that player.

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[Danni122112]

I visit one player each night. In the morning I receive a report of everyone who has visited that player.

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Oh, you sure this works for the mafia night kill? Like its not like a specific person visits, they vote for it, would it reveal all mafia if more than one is alive?

 

[myusername22]

Oh, you sure this works for the mafia night kill? Like its not like a specific person visits, they vote for it, would it reveal all mafia if more than one is alive?

I haven't been told explicitly, but in any mafia game I've played someone always has to carry out the mafia kill, so I think it's a more than reasonable assumption. I guess it's possible it was just meant to find mafia power roles since it seems a lot of them had night actions, but that seems unlikely to me.

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[TheWeakGuy48_]

I am the Hierophant.

Allignment: Town
Win condition: All threats to town eliminated
Night action: Target one player, recieve their alligment at the end of the night.

I mean I suspected Danni to be cop, he gave several hints in the game:

There is a fucking cop or a seer, there always is. Stop trying to pull out of your Ass that there isn't. Come with examples, please.

Cop killed in the night? So be it, kill Notty, nakes no difference.

WE HAVE A COP

YES AQUA I'M THE COP, WHY OF COURSE

Anyway I have to redo my post now with this new and exciting information.

 

[Enderfive]

Also Enderfive Had you figured out I was the cop? I am pretty sure rune did right before he died, though it might have been something else.

Anyone else that suspected it?

dude if you think i've been paying attention to the game, you've got another thing coming

 

[Unusual_Dood]

i did


okay, you seem to be somewhat confused, so let me help you a bit:

we know there can't be more than three maf remaining, otherwise the game would have ended

if there are three maf remaining, the town is fucked anyhow since maf can vote me right now and win the game with me

if there are two maf remaining and a townie is lynched, the town is fucked anyhow since maf can vote me tomorrow when there are five players remaining and win the game with me

if there are two maf remaining and one of them is lynched, you have to lynch the second maf tomorrow, otherwise the game moves into day 7 with three players: a maf, a townie and me, and the maf can vote me and win the game with me

the question is then, can you do that for two consecutive days with me waiting to jump on any shitty bandwagon that might come up?

if there is one maf remaining and you lynch them, good for you, the town wins

if there is one maf remaining and you lynch a townie, we're in the same situation as we would be if there was two remaining and you lynched one of them

now, if there is two remaining and you lynch me, there's three ways it could play out:
1) i shoot a maf on my way out, you move into day 6 with three townies and one maf. i would personally no lynch there, to let the maf kill off one more townie to make it into a three-player lylo. you have six days worth of info and thinning the suspect pool at that point, i'm sure you won't get better chances of lynching a maf any time this game
2) i shoot a townie by accident, maf wins
3) i don't shoot anyone, day 6 has three townies and two maf, easy pickings for you

if there is one maf remaining and you lynch me, there is also three ways this could play out:
1) i shoot a maf on my way out, you win
2) i shoot a townie on my way out by accident, the game moves into day 6 with four players remaining, see option 1) from the previous segment
3) i don't shoot anyone, day 6 comes along with five living players, but with one anti-town instead of two that you'd have if you didn't lynch me

it's up to you to choose which one you like the best, but you should know that there is no downside for me to playing anti-town, so i will, right up to the point when i'm lynched

For some reason I was able to confuse myself to believe there was only 3 players left. However, we can't rely on you having a gun and except for there are no benefits to lynch you. Also, considering that Fog was removed from the game, I doubt you will be given a gun after you have won. Now as Danni claimed, town has a very good shot at getting mafia lynched. His claim make perfect sense as there was no cop claims earlier and if there weren't any cops then Mulbery's role wouldn't make a lot of sense in this game. He also said that TheWeak and Dess is town. On top of that you are the fool, since no counter claims plus Dess confirmed that, so there are only 3 people remaining: Unusual, Iggish and Myuser. I think we should just go for them rather than lynch you.

 

[Unusual_Dood]

there are so many word errors in that text, sigh

 

[Enderfive]

For some reason I was able to confuse myself to believe there was only 3 players left. However, we can't rely on you having a gun and except for there are no benefits to lynch you. Also, considering that Fog was removed from the game, I doubt you will be given a gun after you have won. Now as Danni claimed, town has a very good shot at getting mafia lynched. His claim make perfect sense as there was no cop claims earlier and if there weren't any cops then Mulbery's role wouldn't make a lot of sense in this game. He also said that TheWeak and Dess is town. On top of that you are the fool, since no counter claims plus Dess confirmed that, so there are only 3 people remaining: Unusual, Iggish and Myuser. I think we should just go for them rather than lynch you.

if i don't have a gun, then the only thing that changes is that options 1) and 2) from both scenarios where you lynch me are no longer possible

as for you, i'm surprised you didn't vote as soon as danni claimed, since you clearly seem to believe him, which means that from your point of view, the remaining maf are confirmed as such

 

[Iggish]

Hmm, I find it hard to believe Danni. I saw his hints earlier in the game but I didn't think he would actually "be" a cop seeing how him dropping hints as a doctor in a previous game got him killed.
It's also incredible that the mafia didn't pick up on it but yknow, whatever. Also the fact that he cleared the other top suspect of mine makes me sceptical.

However, he has been dropping hints from the start and has evidence to support him so I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt by allowing himself to prove himself further tonight.

Because of that, I think we should lynch ender.
1. We won't mismatch.
2. I have a bad feeling that this day could end in myself being lynched which could potentially make the town lose.

I will write more when I get home in the afternoon.

 

[Iggish]

Mislynch*

 

[TheWeakGuy48_]

Quick question myusername22 , can you watch the same player two nights in a row?

 

[Dess]

I'm in class all day today but I'll try to post my thoughts on things when I get home

 

[Unusual_Dood]

if i don't have a gun, then the only thing that changes is that options 1) and 2) from both scenarios where you lynch me are no longer possible

now, if there is two remaining and you lynch me, there's three ways it could play out:
3) i don't shoot anyone, day 6 has three townies and two maf, easy pickings for you

if there is one maf remaining and you lynch me, there is also three ways this could play out:
3) i don't shoot anyone, day 6 comes along with five living players, but with one anti-town instead of two that you'd have if you didn't lynch me

We have 3 confirmed townies, 1 fool and 3 targets. By lynching you we will still have the same 3 targets next day against now 2 confirmed townies. This only delays our problem and has no benefits. I don't see why people are seeing this as a good option.

Hmm, I find it hard to believe Danni. I saw his hints earlier in the game but I didn't think he would actually "be" a cop seeing how him dropping hints as a doctor in a previous game got him killed.
It's also incredible that the mafia didn't pick up on it but yknow, whatever. Also the fact that he cleared the other top suspect of mine makes me sceptical.

However, he has been dropping hints from the start and has evidence to support him so I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt by allowing himself to prove himself further tonight.

Having a godfather when there isn't a cop is pretty much useless. Unless anyone counterclaim Danni, he is proven. We can't prove Danni more than this since if we lynch Ender, the mafias will kill dess and we don't know if it was Danni who did it or someone who are trying to get him lynched.

Because of that, I think we should lynch ender.
1. We won't mismatch.
2. I have a bad feeling that this day could end in myself being lynched which could potentially make the town lose.

Lynching Ender will not help us.
1. The situation will still be the same for town next day, so the "we didn't mislynch day 5" award won't get you far.
2. If we lynch Ender instead of you Day 5, I have high doubts a dead fool and role cop will make much as a different when we are choosing who to lynch Day 6.