Tavern Arcana - Mafia Win

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and why would i tell you that right now
Well I kind of want to have an idea of who you will shoot. You said "who I think is mafia" and this worries me a bit. Surely you'd go with the general consensus of the town?

Also, if you don't have a kill ability, please just cut the crap. The situation basically stays the same. In fact, I'd almost be more inclined to lynch you if you didn't have a kill option as I'd be very fearful of you killing the wrong person, especially considering that you said it's in "your opinion". For all I know as well, you could just betray us and kill a townie on purpose for the shits and giggles.
 

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Well I kind of want to have an idea of who you will shoot.
yeah, well, i kinda want to see if anyone wants to vote me just because it's objectively the most beneficial thing for both the town and the maf to do before i start pointing fingers

if the consensus is that i shouldn't shoot, fine, that's also an option, but imo that would be more beneficial to maf so think about this one before you all agree upon it
 

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as for the kill target, i might or might not go with what the town suggests

there are a couple of players who i'll be more likely to listen to, considering how i believe them to be townies

and if you think i'd go and kill a townie on purpose just for the heck of it, then a) i'm not that much of a cunt and b) i would have a hard time trying to play any following mafia game, so i'm not gonna do it
 

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And so are you
not really

the maf can pile on me for the win, i see no problem with that
By mislynch I thought you meant lynching town.
this would be a bad deal for me and i would not take it

you either lynch me today or i vote in the most anti-town way possible that i see having any impact

keep in mind that if i force a mislynch today the town is screwed
Mafias can probably not pile on you since that would mean they could have lynched you yesterday, but still didn't. So unless the town for some reason find it a good idea to lynch you, you might have to act the most antitown way you want, but do you have some problems.
- If we end up lynching town, both town and you will most likely lose since mafia probably has majority.
- If we then end up lynching mafia, you will at least have at least have some shots at getting lynched next day if the game is continueing, but then we will probably go for the last mafia instead.

We also don't really need to lynch you since for us it will only delay our problem. By lynching you, myuser will probably get killed at night, and will be at the exact same situation just one antitown and townie dead (and no I don't buy the kill part of your role), and this for a player who helped mafias earlier in the game.


this would be a bad deal for me and i would not take it
why not? If we lynch mafia you win, and if we don't mafias will probably be able to lynch you. I mean, you can for sure go ahead and vote Dess or do something else you find a more anti town move, but if we manage to actually lynch mafia I would be interested in seing how you will proceed
 

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By mislynch I thought you meant lynching town.
i did

Mafias can probably not pile on you since that would mean they could have lynched you yesterday, but still didn't. So unless the town for some reason find it a good idea to lynch you, you might have to act the most antitown way you want, but do you have some problems.
- If we end up lynching town, both town and you will most likely lose since mafia probably has majority.
- If we then end up lynching mafia, you will at least have at least have some shots at getting lynched next day if the game is continueing, but then we will probably go for the last mafia instead.
okay, you seem to be somewhat confused, so let me help you a bit:

we know there can't be more than three maf remaining, otherwise the game would have ended

if there are three maf remaining, the town is fucked anyhow since maf can vote me right now and win the game with me

if there are two maf remaining and a townie is lynched, the town is fucked anyhow since maf can vote me tomorrow when there are five players remaining and win the game with me

if there are two maf remaining and one of them is lynched, you have to lynch the second maf tomorrow, otherwise the game moves into day 7 with three players: a maf, a townie and me, and the maf can vote me and win the game with me

the question is then, can you do that for two consecutive days with me waiting to jump on any shitty bandwagon that might come up?

if there is one maf remaining and you lynch them, good for you, the town wins

if there is one maf remaining and you lynch a townie, we're in the same situation as we would be if there was two remaining and you lynched one of them

now, if there is two remaining and you lynch me, there's three ways it could play out:
1) i shoot a maf on my way out, you move into day 6 with three townies and one maf. i would personally no lynch there, to let the maf kill off one more townie to make it into a three-player lylo. you have six days worth of info and thinning the suspect pool at that point, i'm sure you won't get better chances of lynching a maf any time this game
2) i shoot a townie by accident, maf wins
3) i don't shoot anyone, day 6 has three townies and two maf, easy pickings for you

if there is one maf remaining and you lynch me, there is also three ways this could play out:
1) i shoot a maf on my way out, you win
2) i shoot a townie on my way out by accident, the game moves into day 6 with four players remaining, see option 1) from the previous segment
3) i don't shoot anyone, day 6 comes along with five living players, but with one anti-town instead of two that you'd have if you didn't lynch me

it's up to you to choose which one you like the best, but you should know that there is no downside for me to playing anti-town, so i will, right up to the point when i'm lynched
 

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Enderfive

My claim will make the came a bit busy for the next few posts, and will take a bit to write out (why cant i copy paste REEEEEEE)

I am pro lynching you (hey you got a friend)

I think wanting to lynch you is a bit scummy, and it makes me supicious of iggish.


I want to make a deal, I would be fine with lynching you today, but I am not quite sure if I can get the others aboard.

(Feel free to tell me if there are any flaws in my logic, or if you just dont want to do this.)

I want you to find us a mafia today, and we lynch them. If you were right, we lynch you tomorrow, and you shoot someone on your way out.
This gives you an incentive to try your best to find a mafia member, and it will be easier for us to "trust you"

Understandably, you would rather win the game today, as its less risky.

So I was thinking a bit, wether we lynch you today, and you kill someone on your way out, or we lynch you tomorrow, and you point us in the right direction today, does not really affect who would be killed (most likely). We would probbaly get a very similar result.

The issue with this is, you can be lying.
You can not have a kill ability.
You can literally end the game (not likely, at all, but still like)
You can decide to kill someone wrong.

However, you are probably the most competent player left here, so I would like to hear your opinion, and work with you if possible.
 
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