The Doomed Cruise - Game [OVER AND OUT ]

[Sploorky]

Alright, so.

My suspicions still largely rest on defiant. Not because of your votes, but your playstyle. Like I said, you're using your skills and experience as a shield. Nobody wants to vote for you, because you respond with such aggression and assertiveness that they don't follow through. You're roughly invincible to lynches, because you know people aren't going to follow through if you respond with the aggression you play with.

((actually I haven't really brought up my experience or skills at all, and it's kind of annoying when others bring it up. I don't like people following me just for my experience or playing against me a certain way just because they think I'm experienced. I'd rather be on a blank slate each time. Mostly because forum mafia I tend to be more unorthodox with my methods since I play forum-mafia for fun. The aggression just comes with the character I chose. Had I chosen someone another character (e.g. Tavros) I'd be much more unconfident in my votes and such. I'm roleplaying, words, actions, votes, and all. I'm not saying this defends myself based on roleplay but I'd like people to appreciate that I'm not my usual self but rather a fictional character.))

Fair enough. The way I suspect things are going, you are riding on the fact that you have an aggressive character, which puts people off from voting on you/placing suspicions on you. You are able to pull this off because you're naturally good at the game.

Though I am not saying I am not possibly overthinking it, and while I know your character has a part in your aggressive playstyle, it is not a factor we can ignore because of it. In any case, you are a flip of the coin for me, it all depends on if I'm thinking you're playing mind games or not.

If this is an elaborate plan, you're playing anti-town perfectly. If it isn't, then no, I don't think you're mafia.

 

[Shinyshark]

Ye sure, I'm not good at tis sherlock shit so just blame me, eh?

(I dont know how to play this so i dont say too much)

 

[myusername22]

Ye sure, I'm not good at tis sherlock shit so just blame me, eh?

(I dont know how to play this so i dont say too much)

If you wish to ask any questions I'm sure people here would be willing to answer

 

[Vino]

Ye sure, I'm not good at tis sherlock shit so just blame me, eh?

(I dont know how to play this so i dont say too much)

If you wish to ask any questions I'm sure people here would be willing to answer

The answer is always Karthus...
wait wrong thread

 

[K1ngHoward]

Ye sure, I'm not good at tis sherlock shit so just blame me, eh?

(I dont know how to play this so i dont say too much)

If you wish to ask any questions I'm sure people here would be willing to answer

The answer is always Karthus...
wait wrong thread

No bro, it is always 42. Wait, 42 minus 30 players equals 12. The 12th person on the list for mafia is Infernofox, but if we are counting when people signed up in order #12 would be... my god... K1ngHoward! It all points to him! Coincidence?! I! Think! Not! We have our two suspects from good ol' answer 42. Infernofox and this K1ngHoward, I completely trust Infernofox, aka THE BOuLDER, so we need to weed out this "K1ngHoward" as soon as possible! He can't run from the eyes of justice for much longer!

I am actually scared how 42 actually pointed to both you and me...

 

[GmK]

///VOTECOUNT///

Players needed to lynch: 15
Players needed to no-lynch: 14

Nottykitten - 2 - myusername22, Vatumok (L-13)
myusername22 - 2 - nottykitten, HypeBurst (L-13)

Players not voting: Alpha102, Ooglie, 77_is_the_best, hihihilolHI, Old_Man_Oak_63, Omar_Sales, nitasu987, Defiant_Blob, cooliorules, One One Two, Sploorky, Dessern5, endersteve5, digitalmez, shinyshark, grimmjowforever, K1ngHoward, mariosatr, ansoro, kraby1, Prizyms, balloon98, HypeBurst,, storm886, Jivvi, infernofox

 

[Mooglie]

I'm surprised yous haven't suspected me yet, I went from quite a lot of posts in the 0th day and I think one today. I will post a longish post later about my opinions on the current suspicions.

 

[cooliorules]

When you're making a post, it turns out to be fairly long, and you accidentally hit the "forum" button at the top. Will re do it later

 

[Mooglie]

Ok, here's my long-ish post about the current suspicions:

Myuser and Notty: Well, not even going to bother on different paragraphs for these two! This is because I simply think they've both misunderstood eachother, Notty voted for him like they said they would and Myuser is being defensive about it because he doesn't want to be lynched obviously. I think Myuser shouldn't really be this suspicious of Notty because I bet if someone voted for a no-lynch before Myuser he wouldn't of cared about it and now Notty is being very defensive because they don't want to go out either, obviously! I think they're both defending themselves from eachother as they both have a sort of... grudge against eachother?

Ansoro: A tad suspicious, voted for no-lynch with no reason in the 0th day and when questioned about it on the 1st day replies with a decent answer but then instantly pushes the suspicion onto Hihi when he says in his post:
"I'm not going to go around pointing fingers at people if I don't have enough information to support my reason."
and then...
"Its just not my style to jump into accusations right off the bat."
Er, according to what you just said you just did both things you said you wouldn't do! That's why Ansoro's a tad suspicious to me.

Defiant: Well, I trust him but in a post below this I'll quote my weird thought from the first day because I don't want to make this post too big and messy!

Nita?: It is true that Nita hasn't said/done much, he's really been the meeting recapper... that was a weird thing to compare him to. He keeps just saying the current suspicions but, sorry if I got this wrong, never really gives information for his personal suspicions and he seems rather zezmi-ey... only Notty will get that but by zezmi-ey means more of a bandwagon and vote for anyone with little information style.

Shiny: It's really funny he was accused since when I was reading over posts yesterday I actually became a bit suspicious of him myself. It is true he has only really role-played and never really given much input into the discussion... which then also leads to a suspicion that just popped into my head...

Kraby: SORRY KRABY I LOVE YOU BUT... All 3 of your posts have been roleplay posts, the first one introducing yourself, the second one roleplay and then an un-reasoned no-lynch vote at the end and the third one more roleplay. There's nothing else I can really say about Kraby since I've just summed up his 3 posts.

So there's my long-ish post about my current suspicions but my biggest have to be Shiny, Ansoro and unfortunately Kraby </3 (don't hate me forever for that kraby)

 

[Mooglie]

Just had some weird thoughts about Defiant go through my head:
His character looks evil and plays rather 'aggressively' but that in a lot of players heads means that that is good... But here's where the weird thought comes in: What if, as a rather good player of Mafia he knows how to know these things and predict what others will do/think (much like me in RAF in IRC Mafia) and is using this to advantage, knowing that people will trust him (I still do, like I said - weird thought) but that is ultimately a cover up for being eviiiiil, kinda like a double bluff. And there's my really weird theory that makes no sense because it also works if Defiant is a passenger but: The reason he took so long to confirm his role was because he was asking questions to the host about it and due to a timezone difference of some-sort the answers were delayed and therefore lead to Defiant to be the last person to confirm... Then there's the larger possibility he was just inactive or was asking whether is roleplay character would be allowed.

Like I said, weird thought, probably something not to be followed because I for some strange reason trust Defiant (even though that still is proving the first half of my thought Dx)

(I said I would quote this post in my post!)

 

[nitasu987]

(ooc)
Sploorky isn't that the point of the game, to look at what others say to form opinions of people? It's still SO early in the game that it's hard to be surefire at the moment, that's why I'm keeping my options open.

 

[Omar_Sales]

(ooc)
Sploorky isn't that the point of the game, to look at what others say to form opinions of people? It's still SO early in the game that it's hard to be surefire at the moment, that's why I'm keeping my options open.

The problem is, we'll never be surefire about anyone. That's why you have to post your opinions.
If only 2 or 3 people are posting their opinions we'll never reach an agreement as to who to vote.
Besides that's why some people didn't want a no lynch on day 0, it takes off valuable time to discuss and just cuts straight to the murder.

 

[Enderfive]

Oh, hi myuser! I had already forgotten about you, but that's a problem with an easy fix!

alright time for me to stop procastinating and actually post something again.

unfortunately the previous night yielded less than 0 results and we can't afford to just keep doing nothing so i'm going to say we at least make an effort to lynch someone tonight,

Many people say defiant is being really suspicious and agressive and i have to agree he is, though I don't believe there were any actual attempts to seriously lynch someone in there it looks to me like he was simply trying to gather information.

I don't personally think we have enough information to act on the k1nghoward situation so,
i suggest we lynch someone else from Day 0 who was playing really agressive

So who do I propose to vote? I am going to vote for the next person who dares to vote No Lynch.

this is obviously an attempt to control the votes, if you were town sided why not just let the votes occur naturally why would you need to threaten and manipulate others to control the votes?

not only did you attempt to control the votes but you tried to convince everyone i was mafia after that despite having not much evidence on me. also you were very defensive when people said they were suspicious of you and now you haven't even posted in a while.

I'm rather convinced nottykitten isn't towny and having no better suspects must vote for them.

vote Nottykitten

You are seriously not making any sense at all. First of all, the reason notty (and I, for that matter) wanted a lynch so badly was that a lynch would've helped us a lot more than the no lynch that eventually went through. That was also why he threatened to vote for the next person to vote no lynch, and that was you. Now, you say that despite not much against you, he still voted voted for you and that automagically makes him anti-town. First of all, you were the best choice at the moment, I explained it in my own post quite well. And second, isn't that exactly what you're doing right now? You said in your post that you vote notty, because there aren't any better suspects right now. That's pretty much what you had marked as anti-town in that very same post, at least to me.
Furthermore, others (me included) had brought up other potential suspects, who in fact had a bigger chance of being anti-town, like defiant or K1ng, but you still voted notty. To me it looks like you're just trying to get rid of him, either because you're just trying to get suspicion off yourself, or (less likely tbh) you're a mafia member and somehow found out that notty is a town PR and you're just trying to get rid of him. Either way, that puts a lot of suspicion on you in my eyes.

Let's move on to your next post this day.

Because I didn't want a no lynch. And that way it would scare people a bit because they'd be voted.

Haven't had time to read up everything said so my post wont contain more than just this defence. Expect a proper post tomorrow .

However that's partially my point if the town can't feel free to vote as it wishes wouldn't that give the mafia an edge?

Your discouraging town influence which by definition is Anti-town

So when notty tries to make people not vote for no lynch, and no lynch is good for the mafia, then notty must be mafia? You're not making any sense here.

I had some more thoughts, but they just kinda pop in and out and I don't remember all my thoughts right now, and typing on a tiny phone screen doesn't really help either. If I get any more ideas, I'll be sure to post them.

In the meanwhile, however, myuser has been making very little sense, if any, and together with the theories I and notty have brought up on both this day and the previous, I think I just found who I'm gonna vote today.

vote myusername22

 

[Alisha]

I'm going to try grouping all our suspects into two catagories.

Nottykitten, myusername22, Defiant_Blob. The three of them have been making posts with enough reasoning, and have brought up ideas and caught fire from them.
ansoro2112, shinyshark, kraby1. These three have not had that much activity, and posts they have made are about roleplaying/voting with little reasoning.

What I think:
I don't think Shinyshark has done anything bad, as I completely understand the position of being afraid to say anything. But that statement only works once.
Nottykitten and myusername22 I am certain one of them is mafia. They have been at it for a long time, and have shown no intentions of letting up. myusername22 has been making some posts that have been pointed out as flawed, while Nottykitten used scare tactics to try to get people to stop voting no-lynch.
Defiant_Blob is being very aggressive, and justifying it as being in-character. This makes Defiant's situation very tricky, as that gives him the ability to pass off anything he says as being 'in-character'.
ansoro2112 and kraby1 seem to not have contributed much, but I'm not willing to vote either of them.(yet)

Overall I want to look more into Nottykitten and myusername22's posts, and POSSIBLY Defiant_Blob's. I haven't figured out who I want to vote for yet.

 

[Nottykitten]

I'm going to try grouping all our suspects into two catagories.

Nottykitten, myusername22, Defiant_Blob. The three of them have been making posts with enough reasoning, and have brought up ideas and caught fire from them.
ansoro2112, shinyshark, kraby1. These three have not had that much activity, and posts they have made are about roleplaying/voting with little reasoning.

What I think:
I don't think Shinyshark has done anything bad, as I completely understand the position of being afraid to say anything. But that statement only works once.
Nottykitten and myusername22 I am certain one of them is mafia. They have been at it for a long time, and have shown no intentions of letting up. myusername22 has been making some posts that have been pointed out as flawed, while Nottykitten used scare tactics to try to get people to stop voting no-lynch.
Defiant_Blob is being very aggressive, and justifying it as being in-character. This makes Defiant's situation very tricky, as that gives him the ability to pass off anything he says as being 'in-character'.
ansoro2112 and kraby1 seem to not have contributed much, but I'm not willing to vote either of them.(yet)

Overall I want to look more into Nottykitten and myusername22's posts, and POSSIBLY Defiant_Blob's. I haven't figured out who I want to vote for yet.

"Well, I am not a supersaint.
I am the doctor!"

*don't take this claim seriously, its a joke I play with alpha =3

 

[Shinyshark]

'Tis so odd defending yerself makes ya suspicious but doin' nothin' also makes ya suspicious. I dun know who dunnit, I'll try ta figure out now before ya fookin' lynch me though.

 

[myusername22]

Oh, hi myuser! I had already forgotten about you, but that's a problem with an easy fix!

alright time for me to stop procastinating and actually post something again.

unfortunately the previous night yielded less than 0 results and we can't afford to just keep doing nothing so i'm going to say we at least make an effort to lynch someone tonight,

Many people say defiant is being really suspicious and agressive and i have to agree he is, though I don't believe there were any actual attempts to seriously lynch someone in there it looks to me like he was simply trying to gather information.

I don't personally think we have enough information to act on the k1nghoward situation so,
i suggest we lynch someone else from Day 0 who was playing really agressive

So who do I propose to vote? I am going to vote for the next person who dares to vote No Lynch.

this is obviously an attempt to control the votes, if you were town sided why not just let the votes occur naturally why would you need to threaten and manipulate others to control the votes?

not only did you attempt to control the votes but you tried to convince everyone i was mafia after that despite having not much evidence on me. also you were very defensive when people said they were suspicious of you and now you haven't even posted in a while.

I'm rather convinced nottykitten isn't towny and having no better suspects must vote for them.

vote Nottykitten

You are seriously not making any sense at all. First of all, the reason notty (and I, for that matter) wanted a lynch so badly was that a lynch would've helped us a lot more than the no lynch that eventually went through. That was also why he threatened to vote for the next person to vote no lynch, and that was you. Now, you say that despite not much against you, he still voted voted for you and that automagically makes him anti-town. First of all, you were the best choice at the moment, I explained it in my own post quite well. And second, isn't that exactly what you're doing right now? You said in your post that you vote notty, because there aren't any better suspects right now. That's pretty much what you had marked as anti-town in that very same post, at least to me.
Furthermore, others (me included) had brought up other potential suspects, who in fact had a bigger chance of being anti-town, like defiant or K1ng, but you still voted notty. To me it looks like you're just trying to get rid of him, either because you're just trying to get suspicion off yourself, or (less likely tbh) you're a mafia member and somehow found out that notty is a town PR and you're just trying to get rid of him. Either way, that puts a lot of suspicion on you in my eyes.

Let's move on to your next post this day.

Because I didn't want a no lynch. And that way it would scare people a bit because they'd be voted.

Haven't had time to read up everything said so my post wont contain more than just this defence. Expect a proper post tomorrow .

However that's partially my point if the town can't feel free to vote as it wishes wouldn't that give the mafia an edge?

Your discouraging town influence which by definition is Anti-town

So when notty tries to make people not vote for no lynch, and no lynch is good for the mafia, then notty must be mafia? You're not making any sense here.

I had some more thoughts, but they just kinda pop in and out and I don't remember all my thoughts right now, and typing on a tiny phone screen doesn't really help either. If I get any more ideas, I'll be sure to post them.

In the meanwhile, however, myuser has been making very little sense, if any, and together with the theories I and notty have brought up on both this day and the previous, I think I just found who I'm gonna vote today.

vote myusername22

I'll admit i havent been wording my arguments well so i'll fix that,


my suspicions on nottykitten aren't necessarily about the fact that nottykitten voted for me but more so the use of fear tactics that notty used.

yes i'll agree perhaps lynching someone would have been of more use in gathering information however a majority of the town did not agree and a no-lynch looked like the best option at the time to a majority of the town

before you say notty was right and the fear tactics helped the town i'd like you to consider what actually happens when you use fear tactics against someone.

there seems to be some magical delusion that just because you use these tactics against someone they will automagically join your side vote with you and share your opinion but sadly this isn't true. If someones afraid they'll be lynched for being on a side they are more likely to withdraw themselves from the conversation than to switch to your side. if people start withdrawing from voting and from the conversation in fear of being voted this increases mafia influence and decreases town influence.

now tell me how is this helpful to the town?

why would someone town sided want to /need to use these tactics?

that's why i believe nottykitten isn't town sided

tell me how would this game go if the 30 of us just auto lynched anyone who tried to bring up a suspicion on someone else? everyone would stop talking, mix into the same pile of people not talking, and ontop of that there would be no town discussion to even keep the progress going this would all turn into a massive roleplay thread with people randomly dying every night. how well do you think the mafia would do in that situation?

imagine how this game would go if we auto lynched

 

[myusername22]

Ignore the very last line on that post i seem to have accidently put that in while putting my post together.

 

[Ansoro2112]

"A tad suspicious, voted for no-lynch with no reason in the 0th day and when questioned about it on the 1st day replies with a decent answer but then instantly pushes the suspicion onto Hihi when he says in his post"

Ooglie101 to reply about what you said. I only tagged hihihilolhi because I didn't saw him post anything yet. That's why c: Wasn't trying to push the suspicion onto him. At all. I actually was gonna go through the list that day and see who wasn't talking that much to tag him/her.

And next time I vote for something I'LL GIVE MY FREAKING REASON!! FWSHFBAK <3 I just thought it wasn't necessary to give my "No Lynch" vote reason on day 0 because I thought it was a bit obvious. Since almost everyone was voting No Lynch because no one really knew anything about anyone.

 

[Vatumok]

As someone needs to take the lead (do we not want to let this end in chaos), and I already have decent information, I am claiming the role of Jack of all Trades (a role with investigative actions).

Last night I investigated endersteve5 after his suspicious behavior the first day. And I found endersteve5 to be mafia. Looking at previous posts it seems very clear that endersteve5 and notty are both mafia (teamed).
I can almost with certainty say that both endersteve5 and

With that I can declare myusername safe (NOT 100% certain but very safe) because else endersteve/notty wouldn't have voted for him/her.

Doctor, please protect me, also if the (other) town roles with investigating powers could contact me with their information I could say it so that they stay unknown to the mafia. (I might get roleblocked)

I'd say first lynch endersteve this day and (if vigi kill notty at night) notty tomorrow.

I know that this is a dangerous move but we have to do something.

Vatu out.

unvote
vote endersteve5

 

[Nottykitten]

As someone needs to take the lead (do we not want to let this end in chaos), and I already have decent information, I am claiming the role of Jack of all Trades (a role with investigative actions).

Last night I investigated endersteve5 after his suspicious behavior the first day. And I found endersteve5 to be mafia. Looking at previous posts it seems very clear that endersteve5 and notty are both mafia (teamed).
I can almost with certainty say that both endersteve5 and

With that I can declare myusername safe (NOT 100% certain but very safe) because else endersteve/notty wouldn't have voted for him/her.

Doctor, please protect me, also if the (other) town roles with investigating powers could contact me with their information I could say it so that they stay unknown to the mafia. (I might get roleblocked)

I'd say first lynch endersteve this day and (if vigi kill notty at night) notty tomorrow.

I know that this is a dangerous move but we have to do something.

Vatu out.

unvote
vote endersteve5

I have said numerous times, I am not teaming with ender >.< Just because he voted for the person I voted doesn't mean I'm with him. Hype voted Myuser too am I teaming with Hype too now?

I think your claim is safe, and you are probabily a Jack of Trades. But do know that you can always be insane or paranoid or something. But then again, it could all be lied and a trick to get other investigative roles to tell you who they are.[Is that even allowed to PM others?]

I am going to agree with you here. It does explain why you were pushing No Lynch with the argument town roles have a chance to do something. And you voting me pretty fast on this new day. But that ender is mafia doesn't mean I am mafia.

Note that if ender is mafia Myuser could still be anti-town just as much as me, since I still think Myuser is suspicious.

unvote
vote endersteve5

 

[Oak Milk]

As someone needs to take the lead (do we not want to let this end in chaos), and I already have decent information, I am claiming the role of Jack of all Trades (a role with investigative actions).

Last night I investigated endersteve5 after his suspicious behavior the first day. And I found endersteve5 to be mafia. Looking at previous posts it seems very clear that endersteve5 and notty are both mafia (teamed).
I can almost with certainty say that both endersteve5 and

With that I can declare myusername safe (NOT 100% certain but very safe) because else endersteve/notty wouldn't have voted for him/her.

Doctor, please protect me, also if the (other) town roles with investigating powers could contact me with their information I could say it so that they stay unknown to the mafia. (I might get roleblocked)

I'd say first lynch endersteve this day and (if vigi kill notty at night) notty tomorrow.

I know that this is a dangerous move but we have to do something.

Vatu out.

unvote
vote endersteve5

I have said numerous times, I am not teaming with ender >.< Just because he voted for the person I voted doesn't mean I'm with him. Hype voted Myuser too am I teaming with Hype too now?

I think your claim is safe, and you are probabily a Jack of Trades. But do know that you can always be insane or paranoid or something. But then again, it could all be lied and a trick to get other investigative roles to tell you who they are.[Is that even allowed to PM others?]

I am going to agree with you here. It does explain why you were pushing No Lynch with the argument town roles have a chance to do something. And you voting me pretty fast on this new day. But that ender is mafia doesn't mean I am mafia.

Note that if ender is mafia Myuser could still be anti-town just as much as me, since I still think Myuser is suspicious.

unvote
vote endersteve5

Gmk already said at the beginning of the game there was no such roles as paranoid or insane, what you see is what you get.

Anyways lets all hop on the bandwagon express #bandwagon2013!!!!!!!
vote endersteve5

 

[Vatumok]

I have said numerous times, I am not teaming with ender >.< Just because he voted for the person I voted doesn't mean I'm with him. Hype voted Myuser too am I teaming with Hype too now?

I think your claim is safe, and you are probabily a Jack of Trades. But do know that you can always be insane or paranoid or something. But then again, it could all be lied and a trick to get other investigative roles to tell you who they are.[Is that even allowed to PM others?]

I am going to agree with you here. It does explain why you were pushing No Lynch with the argument town roles have a chance to do something. And you voting me pretty fast on this new day. But that ender is mafia doesn't mean I am mafia.

Note that if ender is mafia Myuser could still be anti-town just as much as me, since I still think Myuser is suspicious.

unvote
vote endersteve5

Everything you say/vote now is irrelevant as I have already claimed.
Also, about the PMing, now you say it it's very possible it's not allowed, I'm used to playing with though.

 

[Mooglie]

As someone needs to take the lead (do we not want to let this end in chaos), and I already have decent information, I am claiming the role of Jack of all Trades (a role with investigative actions).

Last night I investigated endersteve5 after his suspicious behavior the first day. And I found endersteve5 to be mafia. Looking at previous posts it seems very clear that endersteve5 and notty are both mafia (teamed).
I can almost with certainty say that both endersteve5 and

With that I can declare myusername safe (NOT 100% certain but very safe) because else endersteve/notty wouldn't have voted for him/her.

Doctor, please protect me, also if the (other) town roles with investigating powers could contact me with their information I could say it so that they stay unknown to the mafia. (I might get roleblocked)

I'd say first lynch endersteve this day and (if vigi kill notty at night) notty tomorrow.

I know that this is a dangerous move but we have to do something.

Vatu out.

unvote
vote endersteve5

I think your claim is safe, and you are probabily a Jack of Trades. But do know that you can always be insane or paranoid or something. But then again, it could all be lied and a trick to get other investigative roles to tell you who they are.[Is that even allowed to PM others?]

Kake said that there were no insane, paranoid effects in the rules post iirc.
And look, my first vote! I believe Vatu for the time now, and if Ender shows up as mafia then Vatu is to be trusted.. but I don't think you should kill Notty. I would rather Vatu inspect Notty tonight as, like Notty said, just because they voted for the same person doesn't mean they're teaming, plus Ender always followed Notty, which means Ender was just bandwagoning with whatever Notty voted for and is possibly trying to make themselves look like a team incase that happens.

vote endersteve5

 

[Mooglie]

asdfg, Old ninja'd me to it.