I misunderstood how the cults worked because I did not know that a new cult leader could be recruit if the old one died. Therefore, I thought it would be a good thing to work with the cult leaders, so that the mafias could not use them to their advantage, but without cult leaders outing themselves.
Also when I said "this" I meant "this quote", which I actually forgot to include. Well, oops, well here it is (only 41 pages too late!).
Okay. So you thought the Mafia might read hips post as a mindgame from a cult leader who knew full well about how cults works?
And if you thought we could work with the cult leaders without them outing themselves, why did you, after saying we shouldn't reveal cults, say who you thought was a cult leader (HK)? Didn't you worry that after you'd said that the Mafia would agree with you and kill them off? I'm just a bit confused by this part
Nothing, was just pointing something out that I found interesting, you can explain why you were frustrated or if you were or not if you want I guess but I wasn't asking anything in particular
In the big post I made I mean you seemed frustrated and panicky that you were being assosiated with pushing on me, which could mean many things but I speculated that you anticipated I would be lynched and so quickly tried to seperate yourself from me so that when I died you wouldn't be in any blame, but it's just random speculation and the frustration/panic might not even exist idk, but I got the impression it did
And if you were referring to the cult thing yeah I was just saying unu said he thought you were cult leader
VOTECOUNT does anyone have a diamond encrusted toothbrush I can borrow?
Foggy [1] - Nottykitten
Enderfive [2] - Enderfive, HKCaper
With 11 players it takes 6 to lynch and 6 to no lynch.
I'm not really sure who to be suspicious of this day. How Mulb actually turned out to be Mafia really suprised me, because I started believing he was townie. Obviously I was wrong, and I don't really trust anyone at the moment because of Mulb. Nobody has been super suspicious yet. But a foggy lynch is actually a possibility right now (I used to trust him).
He's later admitted it was shortsighted of him to suggest such a thing, but said he was just so sure that iggish was mafia that he was willing to make a sacrifice to get him lynched
Weak, what happened to your suspicion of me? Just out of curiosity. I mean, at one point you were very accusative of me but in your recent post you didn't mention me as a suspicion at all.
-Foggy: Originally I didn't really think that Foggy was suspicious(didnt really pay much attention(sorry not sorry)). However Notty litterally said that Foggy was Mafia, something we can't ignore, ooglie said otherwise (but hey be honest). Looking back at the previous day, Foggy actually voted for a Aqua lynch, and made it clear that he townread me. The townread on me I actually find most suspicious. If he actually is Mafia he would know that I am townie, which would make him look "innocent" if I got lynched, which was higly likely at that time. (I don't have a way of confirming that I am townie)
-Iggish: At first I found him suspicious. However now I don't necessary find it important right now.
-Ender: I find his views very interesting. Miiiiiiight be a Mafia for all I know.
-Inf: "Even though our cop got lynched day one, I am now acting like a cop"
And about Mulb's vote: I find it weird how he voted for Aqua and not me, causing Aqua to be lynched. Obviously it's now likely that I also will be a target for the next vote because of this.
-Foggy: Originally I didn't really think that Foggy was suspicious(didnt really pay much attention(sorry not sorry)). However Notty litterally said that Foggy was Mafia, something we can't ignore, ooglie said otherwise (but hey be honest). Looking back at the previous day, Foggy actually voted for a Aqua lynch, and made it clear that he townread me. The townread on me I actually find most suspicious. If he actually is Mafia he would know that I am townie, which would make him look "innocent" if I got lynched, which was higly likely at that time. (I don't have a way of confirming that I am townie)
What do you mean by 'interesting', and why are you considering the fact he might be mafia moreso than others (presumably the people you haven't included in this post)?
Mulb's vote really suprised me. First I thougth that mostly the Mafias would vote against me and the innocent would vote for me. When Mulb turned out to be a Mafia I realised that the Mafia wouldn't all gang up on one person and concentrate on getting them lynched; instead the Mafias "spread" their votes across the people. I can't really claim that Iggish is Mafia just because he voted against me.
What do you mean by 'interesting', and why are you considering the fact he might be mafia moreso than others (presumably the people you haven't included in this post)?
Mulb's vote really suprised me. First I thougth that mostly the Mafias would vote against me and the innocent would vote for me. When Mulb turned out to be a Mafia I realised that the Mafia wouldn't all gang up on one person and concentrate on getting them lynched; instead the Mafias "spread" their votes across the people. I can't really claim that Iggish is Mafia just because he voted against me.
Wasn't your suspicion on Iggish before they voted you though? And now you're saying your're no longer suspicious because you realize that you can't be suspicious just because he voted against you, but you said you thought he was mafia before he voted you, so I'm confused?
I first of all believe that Ooglie is a cult leader. Only way I can see how he isnt is if Infected, Notty and himself is lying to make us believe that they are, but I don't really see any reason why they would and believe it is unlikely. I also believe Notty is a cult leader, because he stated that Ooglie was the other cult leader, which both Infected and Ooglie confirmed. However, Oak could also be the leader and have told Notty that Ooglie was the other leader.
If this is correct it means that there are 3 mafia roles, and 6 townie roles left.
Infected - I first of all town-read Infected. This is most of all because I so far have find his reasons and suspections reasonable. I also believe he is townie because aqua was aggressive against getting Infected lynched, and Aqua flipped Mafia.
Iggish - I first noticed a voting pattern where he and ender seemed to vote for the same person first day thrice. However, Iggish was the one who followed Ender each time. I have also seen some other have voted for the same sometimes but I will come to that. I first thought you two could be teaming, but since the mulb lynch got decreased suspecions around Ender. Because Ender is a very influential person you could have been backing him up, and using the same reasons as him or others, keeping yourself safe.
"I'm confused - why does the fact that I found hip to be suspicious re-enforce the theory that I'm mafia? I'm the mafia, I know who's evil and who isn't...? I mean you could argue I thought that hip was cultist but as mafia why would I care so much about the cult to waste our N1 kill on them?" -Inf
Well you said that you know when hip is mafia because they act differently. You were suspicious of them and as a result, trying to get other people to lynch hip. My guess is that you wanted hip killed and so did it with your mafioso buddies at night.
Also, another thing you did on day 1 was kill aqua to again bring the suspicion off you that you and aqua were teaming. This could be because you knew that Aqua was mafia (because you yourself may be mafia) and was going to be lynched and so you did not want to associate yourself with Aqua, consequently killing them off
Also with only less then one hour left until the deadline, why would you vote Aqua unless it would benefit you somehow? Makign the day 40 minutes or so shorter us a pretty shitty excuse.
I mean, you'd look scummy by not being able to justify a vote at all. Idk if you just said that to shitpost but please give me your reasons.
I also feel like some of your theories are very weak, and something you quick have made up to create suspicions around certain people (like Ender and Infected).
4. Then when you came under fire (now I was really getting suspicious because he still hadn't responded to my points against him), out of the blue he defended you making no good points except that he town read you. He had been inactive most of the game, contributing little but then jumps in to try and save you from a lynch. Why was he trying to save you?
All in all he has just been pretty scummy for me. However, my suspicions have died down a little with the news of Aqua being mafia. Theoretically, if Aqua = Mafia then Inffy = Town and if TWG was defending you then he might be town aswell. However, there is still the question of why he tried to protect you out of the blue.
While I am not town-reading Weak or trying to defend him, but I find what you said in bold interesting. Let's take a look at actual response Weak mase (look quote below). I find his reason points valid at least better than the reason for voting against Infected, even though the sentences was a bit messy. Also, to your "Why was he trying to save you?", look in the bold and tell me if I missed anything.
I think that Inffy is a villager. I mean it dosent make any sense for him to try to vote out hip and then to kill him on the first night. The mafia killed hip knowing that Inf suspected hip, so that people would start being suspicious. I mean it’s pretty dumb if he went «hurr durr lets vote hip out» then kill him on the night instead, if he is a mafia. He did have 5 votes on him the first day so it would not suprise me if the mafia intentially killed hip, knowing that people would be suspicious towards him. I think that the mafias are mostly the guys supporting the lynch on inffy, with very weak claims.
What I think about people:
-Inffy: Getting blamed on for hip. In my eyes innocent
"I think that Inffy is a villager. I mean it dosent make any sense for him to try to vote out hip and then to kill him on the first night. The mafia killed hip knowing that Inf suspected hip, so that people would start being suspicious. I mean it’s pretty dumb if he went «hurr durr lets vote hip out» then kill him on the night instead, if he is a mafia. He did have 5 votes on him the first day so it would not suprise me if the mafia intentially killed inf, knowing that people would be suspicious towards him. I think that the mafias are mostly the guys supporting the lynch on inffy, with very weak claims."
One of my mafia suspects is protecting another mafia suspect \o/
Seriosuly though, this just looks like protection, and poorly done too. Weak says that the people voting against inf have no real claims, "very weak claims" to quote directly. Now I just don't think that this is true. We all have our reasons and they're hardly "very weak". What is very weak seems to be the response that I have been waiting for for almost two and a half days. You say that you think inf is a town, why? IMO, this is just a desparate attempt at protection.
"This game looks like to be VERY easy for the mafia right now, as we need 8 people to lynch someone. And obviously the mafia is trying to spread out our votes, as we need 8 votes to lynch someone. I mean at this point I can’t see how we, villagers, are going to even win this because we need to lynch at least 1 mafia in the next two round otherwise we’re dead. So right now there’s 14 people in this game, we need 8 to lynch, we have 9 non-mafias which means that we need almost all of the votes to vote someone out. I mean it’s obvious that we can’t reach 8 votes on someone unless someone does make it very clear their mafia. Is mafia usually this hard? Or is it more of a cult vs cult instead of mafia vs svillagers."
I can't help that the personal pronoun "we" here is used way to often to try to make us think that you are indeed a town. You still haven't responded to my accusations. Heck, you haven't even defended yourself at all here. I made some pretty accusing notes abotu you and you seem to have just forgotten them.
Also, the fact that weak seems to be protecting Inf so much might betray the fact that inf could be a head mafia. If he is the head mafia, then he could've killed hip easier, without a huge mafia debate. Because of weak's in-existent defence and attempts to protect inf. Weak says why he thinks he isn't mafia, not why he thinks he is a town. IMO weak is trying to bring attention away from both him and inf.
I recommend that we lynch inf, then if he was a mafia, lynch weak too. I mean, surely I can't be the only one who sees this at the moment. Inf has been shady, weak has been shady and now a shady person is defending a shady person for apparently no good reason.
Weak did not include a response to your points, which I do find very poorly done by him. However, I did find your response weak. I do not see how weak defending Infected could make Infected a "head mafia", and did not see how anything Weak has said made him trying to bring attention away from both Infected and himself. He is doing the opposite, especially with his "we lynch inf, then igg" idea.
Sure, say that I am defending him, but I do find it interesting that you are trying to make him more suspicious, stating he had no good points and just town-read Infected, and asking questions which he just answered in his paragraph if you were paying attention.
This is just one example where you seem to defend him without a lot of evidence at all. I don't see how it can be denied that weak is acting scummy whether he actually is mafia or not. The people who don't think weak is behaving strangely are probably teamed with him.
Give examples of when I have "defended" weak, except this time. Otherwise I believe you are just stating this to make other people suspicious of me for made-up reasons.
For the good of the town, if I die then I blame caff (although I'm not suspicious of them)!
I am suspicious at this moment in time of Notty, Unu & Samlen.
Notty due to irrational Voting pattern Unu due to his long statements that don't give too much informations
Samlen because I would expect him to be an active member... but that has not really happened so far.
Well my dear friend, I know that this is TWG's first game and therefore I'm not expecting anything too special from him. And from what I've read so far many of his posts were quite random and confused me but I didn't pick up anything suspicious just him saying what he wanted to say. I didn't read Aqua because nothing he said really had any point? And I mean my attempt at getting a lynch on you Involved really didn't have a strong argument and he just jumped on it, that's why I voted him over TWG was because he was too easy to be swayed almost grasping at any choice he could. Furthermore, I no longer Town Read TWG because of his post 'guaranteeing' Aqua was mafia, don't know if this was a sneaky strat or not so I am suspicious of him (but I am suspicious of everybody rn)
Foggy - Since you don't like my long statements I will keep this short. I believe Foggy is mafia because:
- Willing to lynch Infected badly, for no other reason than gut feeling.
- Is/have been suspecious of people I know or think are not mafias (Notty, myself, Ender, Infected)
- Was not suspecious of people that are confirmed mafias.
- Town-read Weak, just to vote for him the next day
Alright well to start off with I'm going to say this first and I have to repeat myself again from now on you will be getting a vote from me.
Voting someone based on how they have played in previous games is meta and you should not, nor should you ever count it as serious evidence. People using it as the basis of their vote need to understand that people can change the way they play. If you really understand a person that well, then it shouldn't be difficult for you to actually find something they have done wrong and vote for them based on that.
Right, rant over.
At this point a lot of stuff has and hasn't happened, personally I feel like most of it is irrelevant, yes there have been a lot of people spouting who they think is suspicious who is connected to who etc. etc. but the issue is that ultimately, we've had all this talk and yet we haven't gotten anything out of it. Just a whole bunch of circlejerking. So let's fix that by starting at the worst offender.
Oak - I did find Oak suspicious after what he said here. I don't feel like he generally have been for much help (other than confirming that Notty is a cult leader) for our town. However, I read this as:
- Voting on people based on how they have played in previous games, should not be done.
- If you understand a person well you should be trying to find a actually reason and vote based on that.
- Much has happened this game but most is irrelevant.
- Lets vote for Infected.
Please tell me if I am reading this wrong, because right now I am really not understanding why you are saying we should vote of people based on something they have done wrong, then you are doing the exact opposite. I am a little bit suspicious of you being mafia, also for your inactivity.
Since I want to get back into the discussion (although it is late already) I will be casting a vote. I have mentioned earlier Iggish was one of my suspects. I just cant help myself seeing Iggish as mafia after what Unu pointed out (I think it was Unu pointing out Iggish vote pattern). I just have this feeling like Iggish is just sort off doing what the other (more experienced) mafia are doing.
Than moving on to Iggish. Although I had suspicions on Iggish before (hell I even voted him at one point) I don't think he is mafia anymore, since he posted this:
Ye, that post. If he was mafia, surely he would not have said this (unless Ender/Aqua set him up to this, since they were the ones to point out the mistake Iggish made, but that is too much of a conspiracy theory to actually be possible I think :/ )
Mhm that's it for now, stay tuned, cus I might be back later.
HKCaper - I know people already have addressed this, but I do find it interesting that you very quickly went from "igg can be mafia" til townreading him based on one post. The post could mean something as well as not do, so it makes me a little bit suspicious. Other than that I don't find you being like a mafia, but you did vote for Weak, Jivvi and Infected, but I am not sure if that mean anything anymore.
I agree with Infected_alien8_ that HKCaper is acting very suspicious. But it looks like we won't get 9 votes on HK right now, so I'll stick my vote on the even more suspicious Unusual_dood
I'd agree with unu that Iggish is acting very suspicious. From my point of view it seems like Iggish is trying to get others to trust him by backing them. My theory is that Iggish is letting others lead the claim that someone is a mafia, and then supports to get them to trust him. So I think that Iggish is a mafia.
TheWeak - I am currently unsure what he is. He has not defended himself, and responded poorly, and does seem to agree with others quite easily. I do not currently believe he is mafia, based on that I think Iggish is. However, Mulbs vote for an Aqua-lynch do rise the chances of Weak being a mafia.
Ender - I do believe the mafias are trying to make you look like a mafia. Aqau was trying to make it look like you were buddying up with you. I also believe that Mulbs vote for Aqua, was an attempt to make it look like you were a mafia, and then getting you lynched.
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but I love ur sexy slavic voice bby (((((((
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I agree with ender
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Say what you want about iggish or HK, but if you speak like that to me or my babe EVER again I will gut you!
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ENDER WHY
Samlen - I have no idea, there are almost no posts to analyse, so I don't know.
Considering it's called the Red Scare, we're probably some small village in the US that those bloodthirsty communists are trying to take over while the loyal patriots are trying to keep us loyal. Oh, and there's a random mafia out there trying to kill everyone.
Well honestly I'm not quite certain. In most normal games, i'd say lynching day 1 has more risks than benefits, but we got two opposing cults as well as a mafia and I'm honestly not sure if we should care about said cults or not. They don't seem to actually affect us getting rid of the mafia and winning, but they might tear apart the town trying to kill each other. If we do care about them, then we have a chance to completely eliminate one today and therefore spare us their infighting. I love me some no-lynching on day 1 but 2/16 chance to get rid of an entire not-exactly-pro-town faction might be worth taking.
One more question for Ltin; can mafia members be converted?
The only reason I think it might be worth trying to get rid of one of the factions today is that as the game goes on it's going to become more patriot vs communist than town vs mafia, which could cause a lot of confusion and hurt our chances of beating the mafia. Like it'll be pretty weird if a mafia became a patriot and like the cop.
Do you want a lynch or a no lynch and why? Yeah, actually. 5 mafia and two cult leaders makes it a 7/16 chance that we lynch someone favorable today. And yes, the cults don't *technically* get in the way or even change win conditions, but I'm certain that they will cause confusion and some degree of infighting if they last long enough.
If you want a lynch, would you lynch someone at random if no one particularly scummy emerged?
About as good of odds for a random lynch as we're gonna get, so why not.
Do you think the cults are a threat or not?
Technically no but realistically they will drag chaos and infighting with them if they last long enough.
Would much rather loose an inactive voice than an active one, especially since infected hasn't done anything out of the ordinary for infected yet. Vote Jivvi
I'm sorry I haven't been able to respond. Computer repairs took longer than I thought and some IRL stuff has come up. Due to the latter, I won't be able to participate as much as I should in this game and would ask that someone replaces me. Thanks for the fun game, and it's nice that it looks active and good luck everyone!
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