Trouble in the West: Pirates vs Cowboys [Finished]

[Enderfive]

So, you're voting me because I'm not town. But you're forgetting, I'm not mafia either. I've already expressed that a mafia victory is not in my interest, and most of my play has been for a town victory. I voted Samlen yesterday because if he was a townie, there wasn't much I could do to defend him, and it'd be likely an end to the game anyway (which is my win condition).

Bullshit. A mafia victory is in your best interest because the game will end with you alive. You state that right in your next sentence. Nothing you've done so far has actually helped the town, has it? I remind you that jumping on a bandwagon in the making does not count as helping the town.

Also, we don't know if you're mafia or 3rd party. That's something only you (and the mafia) know. To me, you all look quite the same regarding the level of your suspicion, because I'm tired and my brain doesn't work as good and because you're all very confusing players in any case and because Mafia itself is a very confusing game at times, especially when Priz is the host. You're the best option, so why shouldn't I vote you?

Also remember, I'm not the only third party here. And if you ask me, Storm a heck of a lot sketchier than I am, and who was it that made me suspicious of Storm? ..Hmm, let's see....Oh, that's right! You! :3 Anyways, I digress from that point, I don't mean or want to seem like I'm simply deflecting blame here.

Ah, but it is in Storm's best interest at the moment to keep the town alive and the mafia dead if he really is the Alien, because he hasn't probed everyone alive yet and it's a potential LyLo. You on the other hand only need to make the right vote (if the game is in a LyLo) and the game is won.

 

[Timdood3]

1)Bullshit. A mafia victory is in your best interest because the game will end with you alive. You state that right in your next sentence. 2)Nothing you've done so far has actually helped the town, has it? I remind you that jumping on a bandwagon in the making does not count as helping the town.

3)Also, we don't know if you're mafia or 3rd party. That's something only you (and the mafia) know. To me, you all look quite the same regarding the level of your suspicion, because I'm tired and my brain doesn't work as good and because you're all very confusing players in any case and because Mafia itself is a very confusing game at times, especially when Priz is the host. 4)You're the best option, so why shouldn't I vote you?

1)Yes, that's what I meant when I said I poorly explained the first paragraph. I had just woken up, and as such had forgot to mention (though I've mentioned I have before) that I had, for that moment, given up on a town victory because there was nothing I could do to defend Samlen. I want to win with the town, myself still winning if they lose is just a bonus.

2)Nothing? Really? Remember Swate? Yeah, I didn't just "jump on the bandwagon," I started the vote. How does lynching a pirate not help the town?

3)I acknowledge this fact that, yes, in your (and the rest of the town's) eyes I might be mafia. There's not much I can do to prove I'm not. There also isn't much to prove that I am either. I said I'm a Survivor, and that's the end of it. I don't exactly have any night action with which to prove myself.

4)In the same post in which you voted for me, you posted a pretty likely scenario about Storm and the mafia:

I simply asked him to say something that would make me less suspicious of him, after which he started to imply I was way more suspicious of the two and went as far as to threaten me directly, knowing that Jkang will probably see it. My theory would be that if Storm is mafia, he was quite reluctant at first because they weren't sure yet about whether they were going to kill me or Jkang (because let's face it, it was either me or him) and then when they decided they were going to kill Jkang, he gave in and provided me with his action list etc.

I already expressed (I think in the post in which I voted for Storm) that an Alien wouldn't have much reason to be reluctant to reveal his probes to a single player unless he thought that player was mafia and would go out of the mafia's way to kill his probes.

And because this has been nagging at me for a while, I have to say something about Storm: In his claim, he said he was informed that there was one person that he could not probe. He said that he found that person, Swate, on night two. Then he says he can't probe Coolio. There doesn't appear to be a role that can protect someone from probing. And (according to claims) the only person we have that can be untargetable is Ansoro. I can see no reason why he wouldn't be able to probe Coolio.

Basically, the above isn't so much self defense as it is "I'm not the best to lynch, he is" which probably seems a bit scummy, but I've already put up a defense.

 

[Enderfive]

Pretty sure I started the vote on Swate on Day 1 and continued it all the way until he got lynched but ok.

Fair enough, I guess.

 

[Timdood3]

Pretty sure I started the vote on Swate on Day 1 and continued it all the way until he got lynched but ok.

Fair enough, I guess.

Everyone had more or less given up on it, and forgotten about him. Then I compiled 25 pages of evidence on him. I suppose we're both right.

 

[storm886]

Timdood said: And because this has been nagging at me for a while, I have to say something about Storm: In his claim, he said he was informed that there was one person that he could not probe. He said that he found that person, Swate, on night two. Then he says he can't probe Coolio. There doesn't appear to be a role that can protect someone from probing. And (according to claims) the only person we have that can be untargetable is Ansoro. I can see no reason why he wouldn't be able to probe Coolio.

I wouldn't jump to too many conclusions timdood. There is no solid evidence right now proving anyone (Well maybe someone, but I didn't read every post in this thread in detail so I don't remember . But I do vaguely remember someone saying something confirmed 77. Anyway...). Timdood, you for we all know could be a town sided protecting role disguising yourself as third party. Which would actually be a good thing besides the fact that you blocked my probe. But that is probably not true. Do you understand what I am saying? A lot of things are possible with the unknown in the air.

Timdood said: I already expressed (I think in the post in which I voted for Storm) that an Alien wouldn't have much reason to be reluctant to reveal his probes to a single player unless he thought that player was mafia and would go out of the mafia's way to kill his probes.

Okay, number one that's not revealing it to a single player. Endersteve could easily tell anyone my probes. So it's basically telling everyone. Number two, the reason I was reluctant to reveal my probes was due to do the fact that I thought I could use that information to better my game. In other words, I thought leaving my probes as a mystery might in some way allow me to live longer. But then I thought about it, and realized it was better if I just revealed. It really couldn't benefit me in any way no matter how I presented it.

 

[Timdood3]

I wouldn't jump to too many conclusions timdood. 1)There is no solid evidence right now proving anyone (Well maybe someone, but I didn't read every post in this thread in detail so I don't remember . But I do vaguely remember someone saying something confirmed 77. Anyway...). 2)Timdood, you for we all know could be a town sided protecting role disguising yourself as third party. Which would actually be a good thing besides the fact that you blocked my probe. But that is probably not true. 3)Do you understand what I am saying? A lot of things are possible with the unknown in the air.

1)In my eyes 77 and Digi are both clear. I've presented my evidence for Digi a hundred times.
2)So you're saying I'm town. And can block your probes. That's insane. Why would a role exist that could protect people from a role that can't even kill? Unless you're hiding something from us...And if I was town why would I claim third party? That's just crazy.
3)If the above is correct, then not at all.

Don't even get me started on that second paragraph, I'm pretty sure we've already been over it.

 

[Timdood3]

3)If the above is NOT correct, then not at all.

My bad.

 

[storm886]

So you're saying I'm town. And can block your probes. That's insane. Why would a role exist that could protect people from a role that can't even kill? Unless you're hiding something from us...And if I was town why would I claim third party? That's just crazy.

It was just an example to show you that mostly anything is still possible. You got really defensive. MAYBE YOU ARE TOWN :O I mean if you were a doctor or some important role that the mafia would want to kill asap, then I can see why you would claim third party. Don't you agree?

 

[Timdood3]

It was just an example to show you that mostly anything is still possible. You got really defensive. MAYBE YOU ARE TOWN :O I mean if you were a doctor or some important role that the mafia would want to kill asap, then I can see why you would claim third party. Don't you agree?

Our doctor is dead. And with his powers, I can't see that there'd be two. I'm not the doctor, the fact that you're even saying it's a possibility is preposterous. I would have been protecting people all over the place. And in that scenario, I'd have claimed vanilla townie, not Survivor. I don't really understand how you thought I was being defensive. I know for fact that the scenarios you're presenting aren't possible, and so I say so. But it really doesn't make sense that you're trying to convince people that I'm town...Just what do you hope to accomplish with that?

I think you're just saying it's another example of "anything's possible" but you have to realize that some things aren't possible.

Frankly, you're not making much sense to me, and it makes me feel as if you're simply trying to confuse into making weak arguments you could try to capitalize on. That's probably at least a tad bit irrational, but the feeling is there nonetheless.

 

[storm886]

 

[HypeBurst]

Nothing? Really? Remember Swate? Yeah, I didn't just "jump on the bandwagon," I started the vote. How does lynching a pirate not help the town?

How do you know Swate was a pirate? I mean he died with a ???? I think I've already brought this kind of thing to your attention before, about you being certain on things you don't know for sure and then using that certainty as a rebuttal to an argument. I think he was a pirate, but I cant be sure.

Unsure about hammering Storm but I have a bigger suspicion...

I dont trust Digi's innocence anymore after contemplating the scenario I stated earlier. If Digi is what she says she is, Ooglie would have actually investigated who she targeted, not herself. The fact that she hasn't even tried to correct us from this makes me all the more suspicious of her. She stated her targets somewhere but I can't find them. But all I know is that it was really fucking shifty to allow everyone to go along with the investigation and misleading them for her personal gain.

vote Digitalmez (or whoever takes up her role)

 

[Timdood3]

How do you know Swate was a pirate? I mean he died with a ???? I think I've already brought this kind of thing to your attention before, about you being certain on things you don't know for sure and then using that certainty as a rebuttal to an argument. I think he was a pirate, but I cant be sure.

Swate and GmK were the same alignment, and GmK was almost certainly a pirate. Let's look at it this way (I'm pretty sure I've said this already, but this time will actually make sense I swear).

We started with twenty players. Eleven are now dead. That's more than half of the players. There were probably five pirates to begin with. If there were no dead pirates the game would currently be over. However, if there were four pirates to start, then we'd currently be at lylo, which would mean lynching anyone but a pirate would lose us the game. However, I think the former is the case because with Swate's scumminess, and us having already had two town cops, I'm quite certain that both were pirates.

And I went back and found both Digi's and Ooglie's actions claims...

N1 Jeercrul – During Day 0 the focus was on OmO and Swate. So I decided to redirect my ability to Jeer due to comments Ender had made about her posts being somewhat scum-like. Sure, these aren’t sufficient enough for an actual FoS but I had my suspicions and went with my gut feeling.
N2 Duffie – Due to this comment made by GmK at the end of Masquerade, I had a sneaking suspicion that perhaps Priz would give Duffie an anti-town role. I targeted him due to a weak hunch. Nevertheless, I don’t regret it.
N3 Timdood3 – His strong defense of Duffie had me concerned. Every now and then Tim would post something that would have me questioning his alliance. Again I went with my gut and hoped that I had made the right decision.
N5 HypeBurst – I think he’s part
N4/N6 Storm – He’s done absolutely nothing to contribute to this game.

Night 1 I investigated Swate and he came up as innocent, which is why I went from attacking him harshly on Day 0 to not saying anything about him Day 1.
Night 2 I investigated Digitalmez but my results were delayed until last night.
Night 3 I received the investigation on Digitalmez - GUILTY. This was during the party but I wanted to save it for the day since if I revealed information and a possible doc had already made a save and couldn't change it to me and then the mafia came to kill me I would be screwed.
I investigated the remaining member of my inn last night but I can say that my results are still delayed and I wasn't told that I received the cursed tome last night so yay.

So I could just go with "Yay Ooglie the Insane Cop got a guilty on me yayayay" however, I'm pretty sure that isn't case, sadly. If Digi was a Deflector (A ghoul that redirects all actions instead of just kills-It's a mafiascum role, I don't think it's on EM) I would understand Hype's suspicion. But, unfortunately for Hype's suspicion, Digi is a Ghoul, not a Deflector.

First, GmK was right I am the Ghoul. I do deflect killing abilities from myself to other people.
The thing I’d like to dispute is this –

Digi can only redirect kills, not any other actions.

Meow.

 

[Enderfive]

I dont trust Digi's innocence anymore after contemplating the scenario I stated earlier. If Digi is what she says she is, Ooglie would have actually investigated who she targeted, not herself.

Lol no, only kills get redirected. I investigated her, not Duffie, I'd imagine the same goes for any cops.

 

[HypeBurst]

omg nvm me, thought I was on to a breakthrough.

unvote

 

[Timdood3]

Ok so I decided read back a little, so what I could find...I can't say I ever though my puns would ever turn into a useful skill.

I think we have a crunchtastic lynch.

Crunchtastic.

crew of cereal-addicted sailors

Captain Crunch is a cereal.
Captain.
Pirate.

I feel like he thought he had the game won at that point, or he wouldn't have risked that pun. That tells me that yesterday Samlen got voted was probably lylo. Then GmK the Pirate got lynched. Then JK got shot. That means we're at lylo again now.

HOW FUN! >n<

But...Uh...Ender, I think I found my reason for you not to vote me .-.

I might be crazy, I'd like to hear other's thoughts.

 

[Enderfive]

But...Uh...Ender, I think I found my reason for you not to vote me

Please do elaborate. This pun proves pretty much nothing. While it may hint at Swate and GmK being mafia, it doesn't prove anything and among other things if Swate and GmK really were mafia, it would mean we don't have a LyLo at the moment, unless there was 6 mafiosi to begin with, which would be a little too much.

 

[Timdood3]

It's possible. I agree that six mafia to start would be a bit much, but what if there was some way to recruit someone into the mafia? Yakuza, Vampire, or any other thing Priz could have thought up. There's no way GmK would have said that if he wasn't confident the game was about to end, it'd have been way too likely for someone to have called him on it...Kind of like I am now. (Which also makes me trust Samlen more.) What other way would the game have ended right there than lylo?

WOAH UNLIKELY THEORY TIME! This popped into my head with the last sentence of the above paragraph. What if that was some way for GmK to trigger some sort of yakuza-type ability? Maybe Priz thought it would be fun to include a sort of day-triggered ability. That would explain why GmK was lynched and Samlen lived. Don't ask me why he would've done that, or what that sort of role would actually be meant for, it was just an idea, and I always feel the need to share them.

The above paragraph aside, I believe we are currently at lylo. If you lynch me, the town will lose...And I won't even get to my win condition either ;-;

 

[Ansoro2112]

And I'm back-Already read everything.

So, first let me address my role first, since I've seen there's some confusion with it. I "go away" at night. I DON'T choose if I want to go away or not. It's something I can't decide.
I also mentioned that there could be sometime where my ability won't work. (Though it's more likely for it to work).
Now, by going away it means I CAN'T get killed and in case someone "hits" me, I won't really know.

<------ That's practiaclly what my role says. Now, my role clearly says I can't get killed at night. This is were I'm confused: I don't know if I can get protected or probed or doused or whatever. (Since none of those actions can kill me directly. Or that's what I think).

-Then I see Storm "probed" me last night!! What the fuck. Either I'm having a TERRIBLE luck with my role not working in the right nights or I CAN be probed no matter what OR there's some lying going on.

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I'm still very confused about what happened with Samlen/GmK. There's some ideas about there being a Governor or whatever.

Endersteve said this:

Thirdly why hasn't the Governor used his action before? I'm sure we've lynched enough people by now that at least one of those must've been a townie to someone who's still alive, so why hasn't he used his action until now? Not to mention that Samlen wasn't exactly the most trustworthy person to begin with and I'm pretty sure we all agreed with that when we put the votes on Samlen

That sums up what I was thinking. If there were to be some kind of Governor then WHY use this ability till now? Almost everyone voted for Sam but someone saved him? Or he saved himself? (In case he's the Governor). Like there were several people that were certain Sam was anti-town. So why take that risk?

Perhaps the "Governor" or whoever did this isn't town-sided?

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Then there's this "Success" message Ender got from Storm. That message could mean so many things.

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At this point I think the only person I trust is Ender.

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Another thing bothering me is how confident Timdood sounds sometimes about some people's alignmens. Like I read it and I'm like "How does he sound SO sure about this if we can't tell...?"

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Since the Deadline's tomorrow seems that at this pace Storm's getting lynched. But if I were to be honest I woulnd't vote for him. Simply because IF he's the Alien it would give Mafia an advantage... Storm's hard to read. I'm not sure. I believe him sometimes and sometimes I don't.

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Another thing is about 77_is_the_best, I use to trust him 100% since he used his ability. But could that mean he's town? I read somewhere in the thread someone mentioning him hiding behing his "Party Host" thing and easily being a Mafia who had that role.

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HypeBurst has been questioned everal times on his role, I don't see any real mistakes on his posts. If he's faking it he's doing a really good job. I'm unsure of him. He could go either way.

77 just flying under the radar and easily hiding behind his ability. (Maybe it's just me being paranoid in this).

Tim and his confidence (But it's not that of a big FoS).

Sam (Possibly being the one using that ability in favor of Mafia)

Cooliorules making a huge u-turn and her suspicion (Specially towards Hype) on what is probably the most imporant day. Which seems odd to me.

Storm could be lying about probing me since I go away.

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I am SO tired right now. I don't want to rush things up yet... But for now here's my post.

 

[Timdood3]

Another thing bothering me is how confident Timdood sounds sometimes about some people's alignmens. Like I read it and I'm like "How does he sound SO sure about this if we can't tell...?"

I'm similar to Coolio in that I'm either clueless or very opinionated. I've also explained my 'certainty' on people's roles so many times now ;-;

 

[Prizyms]

I forgot the deadline it seems

Considering conversation has started up, the deadline has been moved to Sunday 9:00pm GMT.

 

[GmK]

Deadline: Sunday 9:00pm GMT

Uhm

(sorry, couldn't resist)

 

[HypeBurst]

I'm similar to Coolio in that I'm either clueless or very opinionated. I've also explained my 'certainty' on people's roles so many times now ;-;

I just feel like you treat things as certain before its without a shadow of a doubt, I think thats what unsettles me personally. You do back up what you say with logic that points towards it being true, but not completely and utterly.

 

[cooliorules]

Tim.
You're too confident with peoples roles.
That is all.

 

[Prizyms]

Nobody seems to be posting, so...

The citizens of Temisseorangelin gather to lynch their latest suspect, who is none other than storm886!

storm886, ???, was lynched.

It is now Night 7.

 

[Prizyms]

The road to ruin has replaced digitalmez. A warm welcome back to this veteran Mafia player.