Tavern Arcana - Mafia Win

[Nottykitten]

I mean like I say if things do start sliding in his direction I would happily hammer if he doesn't have any reasonable defence other
than "¯\_(ツ)_/¯"

But as I said before removing an antitown 3p is higher priority than mafia.

That aint me though I am a good christian I never did anything wrong!

Really?

I mean he literally said he thought both of you were equally scummy and voted inf based on a coinflip, if you were more likely to be lynched why wouldn't he switch, this makes no sense.

Well 'didn't expect' is maybe too sure, I thought hip was gonna stick with his coinflip and not care afterwards about votes or the game untill the day ended but I guess he proved me wrong. Point being I had high hopes I might not have gotten more votes and I was dead wrong

 

[Aqua]

Well 'didn't expect' is maybe too sure, I thought hip was gonna stick with his coinflip and not care afterwards about votes or the game untill the day ended but I guess he proved me wrong. Point being I had high hopes I might not have gotten more votes and I was dead wrong

stop playing innocent; this is so out of character for you

 

[Mooglie]

well i was always fine with lynching notty tomorrow anyway
IF NO EVENTS ARE REPORTED TO HAVE HAPPENED DURING THE NIGHT I SAY WE VOTE NOTTY TOMORROW
choco isnt acting that scum, hes a primarily a werewolf player & i think he's just adjusting to escres forum mafia games & in werewolf you GO HARD or you GO HOME
inf is a bit weird this game but ILL LET IT SLIDE

i return to my
unvote
vote no lynch

 

[Nottykitten]

stop playing innocent; this is so out of character for you

Yes me being stubborn and believing I'm right and everything is going to be ok is so out of character I totally didn't do this last game aswell

 

[Jivvi]

I was being called out though, people were assuming 'bad' cards are Mafia and then specifically my card was being called ot which would be 'likely' Mafia.

I was practically forced to claim at that point. There was going to be a mass claim somewhere in this game and if people think my card is evil and Mafia then I woyld be lynched for not coming forward and for simply being the tower.

What if you were in my shoes, youre tow and people are talking about 'bad' cards being Mafia and how your card specifically should be Mafia. Wouldnt you try to tell them otherwise instead of letting them come up with false ideas about Mafia and your role?

not buying it

surely something along the lines of "for the record, i have a town role with a pretty negative card so i think it's more linked to ability than alignment" would have sufficed

 

[Aqua]

well i was always fine with lynching notty tomorrow anyway
IF NO EVENTS ARE REPORTED TO HAVE HAPPENED DURING THE NIGHT I SAY WE VOTE NOTTY TOMORROW
choco isnt acting that scum, hes a primarily a werewolf player & i think he's just adjusting to escres forum mafia games & in werewolf you GO HARD or you GO HOME
inf is a bit weird this game but ILL LET IT SLIDE

i return to my
unvote
vote no lynch

Why?

If we don't reach 12 votes in 7 hours it'll default to no-lynch anyway so why take your vote off of notty just incase people do decide to lynch her?

 

[hipmeow]

no lynch sucks. i refuse to believe inf and notty are both innocent. one of them has to be maf or at least 3rd party

 

[Aqua]

no lynch sucks. i refuse to believe inf and notty are both innocent. one of them has to be maf or at least 3rd party

or both

 

[Mooglie]

If we don't reach 12 votes in 7 hours it'll default to no-lynch anyway so why take your vote off of notty just incase people do decide to lynch her?

since i dont want to lynch them

 

[Jivvi]

I've seen it brought up a few times, so let me just ask this directly.

How many people feel like their role has some resemblance to them as a person? I guess just add agrees/disagrees on this post or something

dont tell anyone but i saw a photo of notty once and wowza she looks a whole lot more "grey and made of stone" and "situated near on a hill in scotland" than i ever would have expected

 

[Nottykitten]

not buying it

surely something along the lines of "for the record, i have a town role with a pretty negative card so i think it's more linked to ability than alignment" would have sufficed

Except the card isn't negative it warns of negative things ('destructive change') like litterally exactly my role. And I'm confused what you're saying, I was the first and I've repeated many times that my card was strongly linked to ability and not alignment though

 

[Nottykitten]

dont tell anyone but i saw a photo of notty once and wowza she looks a whole lot more "grey and made of stone" and "situated near on a hill in scotland" than i ever would have expected

What you don't know is that claire once visited me in her childhood and has traumas about towers now

Of all the 1000s of towers in her life she those that experience to base my card on just ask Inf

 

[Iggish]

Actually, I've changed my mind. Notty's role sounds weird. She gets informed of events and that apparently equals change. I don't understand that. I think I just wanted to believe that notty is town, but it's too shady for me.

unvote
vote notty

 

[Nottykitten]

Actually, I've changed my mind. Notty's role sounds weird. She gets informed of events and that apparently equals change. I don't understand that. I think I just wanted to believe that notty is town, but it's too shady for me.

unvote
vote notty

How does that sound weird though? I get told(presumably since I don't know what the events are yet) when for example someones role is changed on death and made to look like another role, or when some magical day ability role makes the 4th vote on a specific person die due to a random gunshot. Whatever events/mechanics people make happen I'll be told about.

Would you rather play this game without knowing when a negatice mechanic is in place that could be detrimental to the town? I could warn everyone about it

 

[Aqua]

since i dont want to lynch them

Why tho?

If you're pro lynching notty tomorrow, why risk a potential anti town night action to take place?

 

[Nottykitten]

Why tho?

If you're pro lynching notty tomorrow, why risk a potential anti town night action to take place?

Are you not at all worried about the unknown mechanics that are going to happen?

 

[hipmeow]

man im so indecisive this game
unvote
vote inffy

 

[Jivvi]

so i've caught up the few pages since important stuff was actually said after i shitposted which i didnt expect

notty's claim is ok, i don't really like it though, cause all of what i've read about the tower seems to either explicitly state or imply that the tower is the embodiment of calamity etc. the exception to this is the inverted reading, which implies aversion of calamity due to advanced warning, but this is a bit of a flimsy argument cause using inverted card meaning doesn't seem to be a universal standard. plus it also means fear of change and that since you haven't let go and moved on, the devil still has a hold of you (almost direct quote), so it's still not super convincing

also to me at least it a) seems pretty vague and b) i can't really imagine any major game events coming from any roles other than the tower or maybe judgement. plus, with the exception of the aforementioned inverted meaning (which i haven't seen mentioned by anyone else all game about any card, and i'm surprised you haven't presented it as an argument yourself yet), everything seems to imply you're the source of the calamity.

i also still don't believe notty is the kind of player to put herself in this position (outside of iggish's theory: she was trying to jump the gun on being considered inno before a massclaim happened), so i'm really wary of what she's trying to accomplish. i still think her claim was unnecessary and hasn't really helped us much or provided any insight so i disagree with her response about it

 

[Iggish]

How does that sound weird though? I get told(presumably since I don't know what the events are yet) when for example someones role is changed on death and made to look like another role, or when some magical day ability role makes the 4th vote on a specific person die due to a random gunshot. Whatever events/mechanics people make happen I'll be told about.

Would you rather play this game without knowing when a negatice mechanic is in place that could be detrimental to the town? I could warn everyone about it

Ahhhhhhhh!!!!
Ffs, I keep flip flopping! Ok, I'll vote no lynch.
I'm guessing you won't be told who did the events so tomorrow you'll basically say "The doc protected someone and the cop got a report or something". I'm saying this now so you can't claim it as evidence of your role tomorrow.

Unvote
Vote No-lynch

 

[Iggish]

Ahhhhhhhh!!!!
Ffs, I keep flip flopping! Ok, I'll vote no lynch.
I'm guessing you won't be told who did the events so tomorrow you'll basically say "The doc protected someone and the cop got a report or something". I'm saying this now so you can't claim it as evidence of your role tomorrow.

Unvote
Vote No-lynch

By that I mean, you saying that a doc protted someone or someone blocked someone should not count as evidence towards your role.

 

[Iggish]

(Also I'm guessing that because no-one has come forward to claim vanilla, there are no vanilla townies in the game, so please don't claim vanilla later in the game as that would be scummy.)

 

[Jivvi]

ok that post is a little messy but i think my biggest point is the fact that notty hasn't tried convincing us that her role is tied to the inverted tower card, which would be the only explanation i would accept. even then, we haven't heard anything else about inverted interpretations all game so i have my doubts.

you could argue that she didn't mention it because she didn't think to do an extensive amount of research into it cause she already has her role, but she may have if she was constructing a fake one. however, it could also be that she was just too focused on constructing a role that adhered to the pretty well established traits that everyone's been throwing around for the last 20 pages (destruction and calamity).

i'm more on the fence now, but i'm leaving my vote because i think a lynch today is the best option

 

[Nottykitten]

also to me at least it a) seems pretty vague and b) i can't really imagine any major game events coming from any roles other than the tower or maybe judgement. plus, with the exception of the aforementioned inverted meaning (which i haven't seen mentioned by anyone else all game about any card, and i'm surprised you haven't presented it as an argument yourself yet), everything seems to imply you're the source of the calamity.

I don't really get the inverted thing I mean do people just fail to shuffle tarot cards correctly when predicting someones future and when its upside down instead of saying woops they give it a different meaning? From what I've understood the tower means danger/destruction in the form of sudden, intense change(which doesn't neccesarily have to be bad), but its about how those things are going to happen in the near future.

Ahhhhhhhh!!!!
Ffs, I keep flip flopping! Ok, I'll vote no lynch.
I'm guessing you won't be told who did the events so tomorrow you'll basically say "The doc protected someone and the cop got a report or something". I'm saying this now so you can't claim it as evidence of your role tomorrow.

Unvote
Vote No-lynch

I'm about 99% sure I won't be told basic actions of people as those don't seem like events to me nor do they have anything to do with change. Plus then I would get a list of roles in the game which isn't really what I think my role is about. So yeah you won't be seeing me say that tomorrow

 

[Iggish]

I'm about 99% sure I won't be told basic actions of people as those don't seem like events to me nor do they have anything to do with change. Plus then I would get a list of roles in the game which isn't really what I think my role is about. So yeah you won't be seeing me say that tomorrow

Maybe events don't relate to people at all. Maybe it's a hidden mechanic where there's a new event every day. Something a bit chaotic or soemthing, idk.

 

[Jivvi]

(which doesn't necessarily have to be bad)

it definitely does

the whole point of the card is that it predicts a tragedy/calamity or revelation that will force you to abandon something and move on. it may be a net positive, but the disaster itself isn't positive. your claimed role really doesn't seem to link to upheaval and moving on so i'm doubtful.

this seems like a pretty decent breakdown:

Spoiler

The Tower tarot card represents disaster, emotional ‘meltdowns’ and/or tantrums, anger issues, upheaval and sudden change that are caused by disruption and revelations rocking the foundation of the person, household, organisation or even country, depending on the nature of the question. When the Tower is showing up it lets you know that you must face the truth about a situation or an issue to be able to have positive changes in your life. Living in illusion is not going to work. You might fall off cloud nine and rediscover who you are; someone who is less likely to be fooled, lied to or taken advantage of. You are a whole lot less naive after the shocking effect of the Tower tarot card. The Tower shows up to free you from what is enslaving you. Shattering as it is, it also gives you flashes of genius and aha moments. The moments of truth act as a catalyst for spiritual awakening and when the run of emotions are dulling down you will look back and see it all happened for the best. In the long run, the Tower will save you from a spiritual and emotional destitute. link

it makes the net positive part pretty clear, but once again, your role doesn't seem to link to the 'spiritual awakening' aftermath part of things. plus, the tower is pretty clearly about going through the hardship, rather than avoiding it, so i'm not really convinced tbh. shouldn't really matter today though since you don't get lynched except by majority today(?)


also

I don't really get the inverted thing I mean do people just fail to shuffle tarot cards correctly when predicting someones future and when its upside down instead of saying woops they give it a different meaning? From what I've understood the tower means danger/destruction in the form of sudden, intense change(which doesn't neccesarily have to be bad), but its about how those things are going to happen in the near future.

http://www.learntarot.com/shuffle.htm