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Jivvi said:
i don't like this (missed it earlier) it seems either threatening or like a "hey but what if???". it's not a bastard game, so it should be a safe assumption that nothing disgustingly catastrophic will happen without warning
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I disagree because I'm assuming something catastrophic is going to happen which is why my role exists in the first place. Probs not some random event but something caused by a players action.
 
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Nottykitten said:
I disagree because I'm assuming something catastrophic is going to happen which is why my role exists in the first place. Probs not some random event but something caused by a players action.
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Jivvi said:
i can't really imagine any major game events coming from any roles other than the tower or maybe judgement
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Nottykitten said:
What about The World, or The Sun(though this one is more of a stretch) or Wheel of Fortunune?
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i don't think so, personally

-the world is probably the most likely of the three, but it represents completion/fulfillment rather than the events that brought about said completion

-the sun represents joy etc, not really an event thing imo (although it was one of the first i checked when i went through to see)

-wheel of fortune is a really weird one but i still don't really think it ties to an event cause like the world, it seems more tied to a state of being than an event

compare to:

-the tower, which symbolises a great disaster/upheaval

-judgement points to freedom of inner conflict, but the card has strong ties to resurrection and the whole second coming of christ thing, which is why i said "probably the tower, maybe judgement as a source of a big important event
 
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Enderfive said:
this is invalid reasoning

the list you lynched off of was given you by the mafia, not the host
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No, I'm saying it's ironic hk is defending notty by saying it's "unfair" for scum when he was completely happy lynching off a list that jivvi gave us and didn't care that that might have been "unfair" when arelic tried to tell us it was

HKCaper said:
Inf you gotta stop with your bs, this is ehy i dong trust you, i littetaly posted that top info in thread way before you did, so i didnt look over, i even said it in the thread.

Also no i did not know the empress, i thought this was clear.
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Except you obviously did look over all that because the stuff you quotes was below it so you would have had to have read over the stuff above it first

Enderfive said:
it's not
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Yes it is, in some cases, e.g. you won't have a mafia godfather, like I keep saying

And you won't have a town role that causes just destruction because then by nature it's not helpful to town


Haven't fully caught up yet give me a mo!
 
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Infected_alien8_ said:
No, I'm saying it's ironic hk is defending notty by saying it's "unfair" for scum when he was completely happy lynching off a list that jivvi gave us and didn't care that that might have been "unfair" when arelic tried to tell us it was
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but the situation is not the same

in one case the "unfair" aspect is created by player error, in the other it's unwittingly designed into the game by hosts

the first scenario is clearly acceptable and should perhaps even be encouraged, the second is clearly undesirable and therefore unlikely

Infected_alien8_ said:
Yes it is, in some cases, e.g. you won't have a mafia godfather, like I keep saying
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the town equivalent of a godfather is a miller

Infected_alien8_ said:
And you won't have a town role that causes just destruction because then by nature it's not helpful to town
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since you haven't caught up yet, i'll assume you haven't seen notty's claim yet, but town roles detrimental to the town do exist
 
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Infected_alien8_ said:
No, I'm saying it's ironic hk is defending notty by saying it's "unfair" for scum when he was completely happy lynching off a list that jivvi gave us and didn't care that that might have been "unfair" when arelic tried to tell us it was
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to be fair i'm been caught out pretty convincingly. this is wildly different

Infected_alien8_ said:
Yes it is, in some cases, e.g. you won't have a mafia godfather, like I keep saying
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roles can be whatever you want, especially in this sort of setup. it's all about the overall balance and considering how thing will play out

Infected_alien8_ said:
And you won't have a town role that causes just destruction because then by nature it's not helpful to town
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we've seen it before iirc (not a common thing though)

there's also plenty of town roles that are completely detrimental in the wrong hands (see: vig)
 
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Infected_alien8_ said:
No, I'm saying it's ironic hk is defending notty by saying it's "unfair" for scum when he was completely happy lynching off a list that jivvi gave us and didn't care that that might have been "unfair" when arelic tried to tell us it was
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I was part of the terrorist team, it was in my best interest. I was playing a conpletely different game. Comparing me this game to previous game is BS, and making me even more suspicious of you. Now you are not only doing suspicious things, you are also throwing BS reasoning at me, which you always seem to do when you are scum.

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Except you obviously did look over all that because the stuff you quotes was below it so you would have had to have read over the stuff above it first
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Get this thru your head: I posted that info against notty BEFORE i posted the info backing up notty. I did NOT look over it, I posted it before you. Do I actually have to post everything multiple times before you read my posts?

Also, I will NOT vote notty today, for the simple reason i trust her over you (and distrusting you more every post you make).

unvote
vote inffy

Also im leaving for a dinner soon (30min ish) , so prob wont be back before deadline ends.
 
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[BCOLOR=transparent]3 hours and 36 minutes left until deadline[/BCOLOR]

[BCOLOR=transparent]Vote Count[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Nottykitten (6): ChocoFox, Aqua, Infected_alien8_, [/BCOLOR][BCOLOR=#ffffff]TheWeakGuy48_, [/BCOLOR][BCOLOR=transparent]Jivvi, Geekenstein[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Unusual_Dood (1): Unusual_Dood[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]Infected_alien8_ (5): Fog, hipman500, erik5456, HKCaper(x2)[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]ChocoFox (3): Enderfive, Nottykitten, Dess[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]No Lynch (3): Roobarb Pie, Ooglie101, Iggish[/BCOLOR]

[BCOLOR=transparent]With 23 players alive, it takes 12 players to lynch and 12 players to no lynch.[/BCOLOR]
[BCOLOR=transparent]If the required vote amount is not reached by the deadline, it will default to a no lynch.[/BCOLOR]
 
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HKCaper said:
Why is choco so heavily siding with inffy?

Also, why is lynching her worth the sacrifice? If you think she is telling the truth, we are basically lynching a townie, and we will gain minimal info the process.

Ive made my choice for this day at least. Things can be said for both parties (inffy and notty), but bottomline is that my vibes tell me inffy is doing some shady stuff (i have reasons which i gave, but somehow inffy needs me to post everything i say multiple times before he reads it). Hence in giving notty the benfit of the doubt. This BW on notty is plain ignorant.
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Maybe it's because we're making sense so we're agreeing

hk you have 0 reason to trust notty but you're just clinging on to the 1% chance she's innocent, and if notty is inno I'm recommending you're looked into next

HKCaper said:
there is some crazy resemblance with my card to me personal (kinda spooked me), which is why i asked arelic, she responded with "rng" so im guessing its all random + its resemblance i wouldnt expect arelic/jolt to know
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are you saying you're an emporerer

Nottykitten said:
Because like I said, a Major role is typically a Town role so ofcourse we can assume that he's probably Town. I on the other hand haven't claimed my role but you're all assuming that since my card is 'bad' that I'm somehow bad which I know to be not true.
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Hk and you are in a different boat. Emporer is a gray area. I can easily see that as a town card too. Tower is extremely scummy. You're the only one who's come forward with a really 'scummy' card and said they're town.

Nottykitten said:
Well 9 is kind of my tipping point so I guess I am gonna claim my role after all even though I'd really rather not have.

I am The Tower. When an event happens, I get told and I also get told what that event is. I currently don't have an exact idea what the events could be because the hosts wont answer me about that. I'm pretty sure it means they're talking about events such as if someones death message is modified since that heavily implies change, or maybe it's less subtle and could mean simply if the doctor saved someones life. I think it's the former though since the latter seems more trivial and doesn't imply change much.

So yeah that 'destructive change' that Inf is so worried about isn't one caused by me but instead I see/witness it/whatever and I'll be told what it is so we can play around it. I don't think the possible events I could see is simply just like someone changing death messages, I think there may be some bigger hidden mechanics change to come. Either for one night or the entire game even. For example where all night actions during a certain night target a card with a the number they wanted + 1 or something, probs not that but you get what I mean. Some big mechanics change that I'll be told about.

Also I don't think it's limited to just night mechanics since it says when an event happens, and why would that be included if I only get told at the end of the night? This leads me to believe someone might have a (possibly detrimental) day action that I'll be told about if it happens.


But yeah I really didn't want to claim this because depending on what types of events I can see I could possibly be the second most powerful/useful role after cop. But since I am just 3 votes away votes and it looks like I actually just might be lynched for this stupid reason I have no choice really. I'd love to hear how Inf is going to somehow spin this against me and I'd also love to not be lynched because then the town is going to be flying blind through the mechanics <3
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this role is 0/10 believability to me soz <3

it sounds completely useless because if a 'big destructive change' happens, town is obviously going to know about it if it has any significant impact

HKCaper said:
Im getting the same vibes from choco i got from inffy. Like, choco is saying the things inffy said, which i very much disagreed with, but at least inffy also made sense at times.

Choco is blatantly pushing for lynching notty, and strongly in favor of massclaim even though some of us have said multiple times why this is a bad idea.

Since inffy lynch isnt going to happen, and i still want to give notty benefit of the doubt (her role claim seems awesome and lowkey trustworthy), maybe we can get behind a lynch on inffy-lite

unvote
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Nottykitten said:
I mean Choco is more scummy than Inf at this point and my best bet of not being lynched is to get this ball rolling soooo

Unvote
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Dess said:
inb4 I get called for being scummy with this

But I also agree with a choco vote. They are pushing way way too hard for my taste and imo it is reading like a mafia member trying to get an easy lynch.

This being said they say have been pushing a massclaim well after everybody else decided it would be a bad idea.

Vote Choco
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this choco bandwagon is both hilarious and stupid, anyone here who has played with hk before should know he's behaving exactly how he would if he's town, both mulb and oog have agreed to this, anyone who disagrees is either incredibly bad at reading him or they're mafia

Jivvi said:
not buying it

surely something along the lines of "for the record, i have a town role with a pretty negative card so i think it's more linked to ability than alignment" would have sufficed
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exactly

Nottykitten said:
What you don't know is that claire once visited me in her childhood and has traumas about towers now

Of all the 1000s of towers in her life she those that experience to base my card on just ask Inf
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I SAID THEY WOULD *NOT* IMPACT THE CARD

Nottykitten said:
How does that sound weird though? I get told(presumably since I don't know what the events are yet) when for example someones role is changed on death and made to look like another role, or when some magical day ability role makes the 4th vote on a specific person die due to a random gunshot. Whatever events/mechanics people make happen I'll be told about.

Would you rather play this game without knowing when a negatice mechanic is in place that could be detrimental to the town? I could warn everyone about it
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Ah right, so your role completely bypasses any anti-town shenanigan tactics rendering any one-shot abilities they use completely useless provided you're proven innocent, that sounds like a sensible and realistic role /s

meanwhile until you're proven innocent you can just make up any random weird 'change mechanic' like "wow their allignment was switched they're actually mafia!!" and we're going to just buy into it and use your helpful abilities to win the game /s
 
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