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Aqua

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If cards = alignment why don't you pick whomever you think is this supposed card master that benefits from a mass claim, then mass claim, then lynch whomever claims that card so that nobody benefits and then come after all us 'bad' cards
What if Death is the final 3p and needs to kill some specific cards to win I don't know but sure... go on then let's have a massclaim. I claimed early yesterday and so have you so...

Enderfive mind sharing your card?
 

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She is the most suspicious for me atm, and im slightly suspicious of mulb and Rune as well, but its mostly gut feeling so keep on the discussion if you want to convince me
I have been busy with work and organising things which is why I am pretty inactive. Apologies, but I have grasped some things

Firstly, Aqua; is there a reason why you are pushing Ender so hard? You are firstly overly aggressive and secondly, have nothing to back up your claims. Moving on, I don't see how we can trust Aqua when he was dead wrong about Inf and the fact is, there's nothing to back up the fact that alignment = card; especially when you can twist tarot cards to mean something positive.

Now, Choco is also reading a very naughty gut feeling because even from the slightest pressure; he's gone silent on us. Inexperienced mafia would go silent to prevent themselves from digging a hole and I have a feeling the same thing is occuring here.

Just a side note, I haven't really gotten fully up to speed yet because I had to catch up like 20 pages to get up to date. So yeah...

Anyways, this is my list:

Scum: Aqua, Choco

Ehhhh sorta scummy: Hip, Weak

Townie: Oog, Notty, Ender, Unu, Dess etc
 

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I don't think now would be the best time to mass-claim, I think we should at least wait a day, get a lynch off today and then see the possible night kills, and then from there we would gain a better understanding of the names and the roles related to those names, so far we just have an innocent and a 3rd Party, which both kinda fit their names to their roles, however, this could be pure coincidence and I don't want to be unlucky and end up lynching off a town-member and giving mafia information which could be useful to them.
 

Aqua

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I have been busy with work and organising things which is why I am pretty inactive. Apologies, but I have grasped some things

Firstly, Aqua; is there a reason why you are pushing Ender so hard? You are firstly overly aggressive and secondly, have nothing to back up your claims. Moving on, I don't see how we can trust Aqua when he was dead wrong about Inf and the fact is, there's nothing to back up the fact that alignment = card; especially when you can twist tarot cards to mean something positive.

Now, Choco is also reading a very naughty gut feeling because even from the slightest pressure; he's gone silent on us. Inexperienced mafia would go silent to prevent themselves from digging a hole and I have a feeling the same thing is occuring here.

Just a side note, I haven't really gotten fully up to speed yet because I had to catch up like 20 pages to get up to date. So yeah...

Anyways, this is my list:

Scum: Aqua, Choco

Ehhhh sorta scummy: Hip, Weak

Townie: Oog, Notty, Ender, Unu, Dess etc
Why are you grouping notty and oog, oog who has been pro notty lynch consistently since day 1? And me with choco whom I was heavily grouping with inf the person I was pro lynching yesterday?

????????????????just what?????????????????????
 

Nottykitten

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I don't think now would be the best time to mass-claim, I think we should at least wait a day, get a lynch off today and then see the possible night kills, and then from there we would gain a better understanding of the names and the roles related to those names, so far we just have an innocent and a 3rd Party, which both kinda fit their names to their roles, however, this could be pure coincidence and I don't want to be unlucky and end up lynching off a town-member and giving mafia information which could be useful to them.
This gave me an idea though. What if you can actually vote but you just don't show up on votecounts? So basically you're still voting me but secretly. Just thought you should consider that incase you changed your mind about lynching me since your vote still slightly scares me
 

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I think it is highly likely that Notty is scum. One reason that was given for lynching notty on day 0 was that it would give us information regarding if roles = alignment. However, notty argued that that is not a good reason to lynch someone and that we should wait the night, where that information will be revealed to us. Well, it has.
Infected, the hermit, an individual who likes solitude and who does not associate with others, is a third party. This shows that there is definitely a link between roles and alignment. Albeit, there are probably one or two exceptions scattered somewhere but IIRC when inf(?) asked if people's roles relate to their alignment, everybody said yes (don't quote me on this).
Notty's card is a scummy sounding card. Fire. Destruction. Catastrophe. While it can be twisted to look positive, it's a long-shot that this is the case here, when we have the evidence provided by Inf's death.

Role aside, Notty has been maniplative and IMO, just scummy.

Danni and Ender's arguments confuse me and don't make much sense to me, but that might be me. If notty flips mafia (if she's lynched), it should be worth looking into one of them.

On the flip side, I don't like how persistent Hipman and especially Aqua have been. It certainly is scummy.

I agree with what someone was saying that there is probably a vigilante and two anti town kill roles, and that one was blocked last night.

I also think that it's pretty much certain that there is a cop in the game, but that shouldn't be relied upon by any means.

Notty is my prime lynch target for the moment, but I won't vote for the moment.
 

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What if Death is the final 3p and needs to kill some specific cards to win I don't know but sure... go on then let's have a massclaim. I claimed early yesterday and so have you so...

Enderfive mind sharing your card?
i'm death

the death of all my braincells when i read your posts, specifically
 

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I don't want to lynch Notty today, reasons stated a million times before, but boils down to that she can be a PR role, and we do not have strong enough evidence to lynch her today, when we can (most likely) do it safe tomorrow. I am all for lynching her tomorrow.
What will change tomorrow? Is it that there might be more evidence supporting the role = alignments thing? Tbh, I think that's pretty certain or at least highly likely at this point. You don't need concrete proof to lynch someone though, just a good reason(s) and I think we have them. How can we safely lynch her tomorrow, what will change that will make it "safe"?
For the record, I do not 100% think notty is innocent, but we will know tomorrow or tomorrow night, and I do not want to lynch a potential PR now.
This sounds weird. "I do not 100% think notty is innocent". I thought this was a given but the fact that you are saying it makes me think that you might be conscious that you might be over-defending notty and are trying to dispel some of the suspicion? Idk, it just sounds weird.

How will we know tomorrow or tomorrow night if notty is innocent?
 

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What will change tomorrow? Is it that there might be more evidence supporting the role = alignments thing? Tbh, I think that's pretty certain or at least highly likely at this point. You don't need concrete proof to lynch someone though, just a good reason(s) and I think we have them. How can we safely lynch her tomorrow, what will change that will make it "safe"?
The fact that its extremely likely I got investigated and the cop can more safely claim tomorrow than today. It's not really worth for the cop to claim on 1 inno result so if they have either 2 innos or 1 inno 1 guilty tomorrow they can claim and clear me. That is hingeing on the fact the cop investigated me but considering Inf asked for it 50 times and I got alot of votes I'm pretty sure I was.
 

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I agree with what someone was saying that there is probably a vigilante and two anti town kill roles, and that one was blocked last night.
Something that must be considered IMO is that notty was influenced last night by someone else.
If she is not mafia, then the mafia would've targeted her and the doctor could've blocked it. Notty would've been one of the logical targets for a doctor, so it makes sense.
On the other hand, if she is mafia, she might have been roleblocked when carrying out the kill. This is unlikely however, as it would be a stupid move for the mafia to trust the kill to someone who would be the centre of attention.

Also, she might have been roleblocked as town, and as her claimed role. This would explain why she wasn't given any events, because her ability was blocked.
 

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The fact that its extremely likely I got investigated and the cop can more safely claim tomorrow than today. It's not really worth for the cop to claim on 1 inno result so if they have either 2 innos or 1 inno 1 guilty tomorrow they can claim and clear me. That is hingeing on the fact the cop investigated me but considering Inf asked for it 50 times and I got alot of votes I'm pretty sure I was.
The cop could easily have investigated Choco or inffy though. They might also have been scared to visit you as Inffy was sprouting on about a possible apocalyptic event that would happen to anyone who visited you.
Tbh, I don't think this is a good idea. If you're mafia, you could get a mafia watcher to watch you, and therefore see who the cop is. Hell, for all we know, you did that last night and now the mafia know who the doctor / blocker / random visitors etc. is / are.
 
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