Tavern Arcana - Mafia Win
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Which is passive, because the granny has no control over people who visit them. Granny doesn't submit to the host to shoot the intruder; it's done automatically which is passive and not active.
Closest comparable role IMO is the Lookout/Tracker which is why I'm using Tracker as your role
. Anyways, I don't think it changes much as Erik both claimed a card which I have, copied an ability from a previous game, slapped on a town role label for extra measure and bish bash bosh; got a fake role to CC with. I get that Roob may have visited Oog too, but I'm inclined to believe that Erik is the more likely person to be the poisoner. Roob can be explained as if he's a role cop; he has to visit people. Therefore his ability is active and can be seen by your ability. I'm more inclined to believe Roob not being the poisoner over Erik.Also, to clear this up; the reasoning for my activity spiking up so suddenly is that I have more time available than earlier. I had some stuff to deal with and Deception administration sorta was in the way etc.
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I said that I was blocked because the action didn't go through - I intentionally avoided using the term "roleblocked", if you noticed. I can't send the exact message here but it implies that there was an external force that stopped the swap from happening.
I'm not sure how I can convince you any further but to say that if I were mafia, I could have very easily claimed a different role ability that didn't seem so unhelpful to town. I could have selected townies that were unaffected last night at random so that I wouldn't put myself within all the chaos last night. It is very easy to avoid all the suspicion that y'all are throwing at me right now if I were mafia trying to make something up.
What I said was what happened. Roob and I was what I chose at night, and the swap failing was what I got as a report. I have no reason to lie about my card or my actions to put myself under suspicion, nor do I have control over Oog's death. I am inclined to believe that someone is intentionally trying to lure me into claiming then put me under suspicion with the series of events today, but I would rather not jump to conclusions here.
I urge you to consider a lynch between erik and rune - it is in our best interest to lynch one of them tonight since, if you'll agree with me, we are pretty certain that one of them is antitown.
Honestly we should lynch Mulb. Mulb cc'ed Ooglie and Ooglie died. There are definitely evidence pointing that Mulb is scum. I don't have much time, but you should all go back to Ooglie's last message (page 74) and think about it.
Why would Oog die? Someone wanted him killed. Why haven't whoever killed Oog outed themselves? Because they know that Oog is town(and maaaybe 3rd party) and outing themselves would point towarda them being scum.
Remember that Ooglie and Mulb cc'ed eachother. Best case scenario for
mulb lynch is that Mulb is scum and Ooglie was town. Worst scenario is that Mulb is town and Oog is 3rd party (I really doubt the mafia would kill one of their own). I think letting Mulb getting away is a big oversight on our part.
(bold this) Vote Mulb
Why would Oog die? Someone wanted him killed. Why haven't whoever killed Oog outed themselves? Because they know that Oog is town(and maaaybe 3rd party) and outing themselves would point towarda them being scum.
Remember that Ooglie and Mulb cc'ed eachother. Best case scenario for
mulb lynch is that Mulb is scum and Ooglie was town. Worst scenario is that Mulb is town and Oog is 3rd party (I really doubt the mafia would kill one of their own). I think letting Mulb getting away is a big oversight on our part.
(bold this) Vote Mulb
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I was forced to counterclaim because oog claimed my role.
If I were mafia, counterclaiming someone and then killing them would be a terrible idea that only puts me in the spotlight. I am convinced now that whoever killed ooglie is a party unafiliated to ooglie who wanted both of us dead, and by killing ooglie right after I counterclaimed they have successfully made me look suspicious.
currently we got one liar out of:
- Oog and Mulb
- Dess and Roob
- Erik and Rune
but Oog was killed, and his alignment hidden. Now if he was antimafia you would be lying, and if he was lying you are antimafia.
Notty claimed she performed the kill last day which makes me think that the mafias killed Aqua and Oog. I also find it very doubtful that the mafias chose to kill another mafia, so that makes me think that he was antimafia, and not you. There’s a big chance you are mafia.
In addition, if you are town we wouldn’t lose a very good PR at least in ny mind. If I am wrong the mafias already killed a mafia, the loss would be the same.
For a Dess/Roob or Erik/Rune lynch we would with a mislynch lose our best powerroles, so I think we should reconsider how good idea this is.
If I am wrong the mafias already killed a mafia, the loss would be the same.
In addition, if you are town we wouldn’t lose a very good PR at least in ny mind. *
Put the sentences in wrong order
Everyone has claimed a tarot card except you. All tarot cards except The Hierophant, The Death and The Devil has been claimed, so unless you are counterclaiming anyone you are The Hierophant, right?
Mulbery’s table:
+ TheWeakGuy48_ claimed The Moon
(«I am the Moon, once per game I can use my ability to be protected during the night. (...) I used my ability last night»)
+ One One Two claimed The Sun
(«I'm The Sun. I can use my power once per game in the night to gain immunity from the following day's lynch. I haven't used this yet»)
Danni122112
The Drunk
That seems like an extremely stupid move from mafia, as it would just make Mulb seem super guilty.
I think Mulb is a weak option to lynch.
I'd rather lynch dess than roob, but they are both useful roles, and not a direct CC.
Neither rune or erik are powerroles, unless I missed something, so we should lynch between them.
I honestly think this is a big tossup, so I'd rather just wait for no info tomorrow, and eliminate ender today.
He has stated he will fuck up our endgame. You wouldnt put a fool in the game that ends the game, in this large of a game.
Enderfive want to help me out here?
Also since im being nice and trying to kill you, could you give your opinions about the players quoted above?
Rune claimed a role blocker and Erik claimed a doctor kinda. They are both very good PRs as they are able to prevent a nightkill, and if they do so know who a mafia is (for role blocker) or who a townie is (for doctor).
Okay I've done some digging. And I've made a theory which probably is wrong(but whatever).
It seems that Oog was about to claim an important PR. From what he told us, and for the one PR we're missing, I think it is safe to assume that Ooglie was the gunsmith. If you dont know what a gunsmith is,it is a role that can give a player a gun. I DO NOT believe that the mafia have a posioner, because Notty said during day2 said she shot Aqua.
What I think happened last night was that Mulb switched Oog with a mafia(most likely himself) as they knew that Oog would be targetted. Oog gave a mafia(either Mulb or something else) a gun.
When the day came, Roob claimed his report said that Oog was death. Oog then claimed chariot, claiming that someone had made the results wrong. Then after Oog had claimed, Mulb claimed Chariot. He had to wait for Oog to claim his rolename so he would know what to cc.
Mulb didn't want Oog to fully claim once he realised that Oog was a PR and shot Oog before Oog had time to claim his role. Mulb then later claimed his ability was blocked so we wouldn't know that he actually used it during the night. This doesn't make sense and feels fabricated. First time Mulb uses his ability, and it ends up not working? Seems kinda odd to me.
One thing that doesn't make sense is that Foggy watched Ooglie, and ended up only picking up erik and Roob visiting. Here's the possible explanations I see:
1. Mulb's busdriver role doesn't visit people.
2. Fog is mafia and decided to not tell about how Mulb's visit
3. The mafia have a role that can make night visits silenced (very unlikely)
Now keep in mind this is a theory it's most likely it's wrong but I would like others input.
Also here is a quote from Mulb 2 pages before Oog got shot.
It seems that Oog was about to claim an important PR. From what he told us, and for the one PR we're missing, I think it is safe to assume that Ooglie was the gunsmith. If you dont know what a gunsmith is,it is a role that can give a player a gun. I DO NOT believe that the mafia have a posioner, because Notty said during day2 said she shot Aqua.
What I think happened last night was that Mulb switched Oog with a mafia(most likely himself) as they knew that Oog would be targetted. Oog gave a mafia(either Mulb or something else) a gun.
When the day came, Roob claimed his report said that Oog was death. Oog then claimed chariot, claiming that someone had made the results wrong. Then after Oog had claimed, Mulb claimed Chariot. He had to wait for Oog to claim his rolename so he would know what to cc.
Mulb didn't want Oog to fully claim once he realised that Oog was a PR and shot Oog before Oog had time to claim his role. Mulb then later claimed his ability was blocked so we wouldn't know that he actually used it during the night. This doesn't make sense and feels fabricated. First time Mulb uses his ability, and it ends up not working? Seems kinda odd to me.
One thing that doesn't make sense is that Foggy watched Ooglie, and ended up only picking up erik and Roob visiting. Here's the possible explanations I see:
1. Mulb's busdriver role doesn't visit people.
2. Fog is mafia and decided to not tell about how Mulb's visit
3. The mafia have a role that can make night visits silenced (very unlikely)
Now keep in mind this is a theory it's most likely it's wrong but I would like others input.
Also here is a quote from Mulb 2 pages before Oog got shot.
Danni122112
The Drunk
I'd rahter lynch a role blocker than a doc, but I trust rune more than erik. Meaning I want further investigation, aagain leading me to wanting to lynch ender.
I dont see a secure case, but maybe im just a pussy for not wanting to lynch anyone
Danni122112
The Drunk
If we chose to lynch someone else today, for whatever reason, I would suggest a beneficial alliance between you and town.
You are a good mafia player, if you can help us get two mafia members, we will lynch you. This helps town, and you!
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What you've formulated stems entirely from the assumption that I'm antitown. I urge you to reconsider the situation from my point of view. I know that once you start picking up the vibes of someone being mafia, it is very hard to change your view no matter what the other party says, but try to just get out of that mentality for a moment.
I'll iterate again: I'm telling the truth, and the truth just so happens to put me into suspicion. Mafia or not, the worse possible person to kill for me in that situation would be Oog due to how it guarantees suspicion on me, the counterclaimer.
We are very likely on the brink of losing here if you mislynch, and my defense here is to prevent you from lynching me, or any town member for that matter. We would be left with 12 players tomorrow, which means that only 5 mafia members are required to win the game (since unu votes for himself all the time).
Consider this: we are literally 100% certain that between rune and erik, one of them has a role they do not wish to reveal - an antitown role. If we want to maximize our chances of lynching antitown today then it should be between those two.