Republic - Completed

[Nottykitten]

I'm not relying on that but looking at notty's "Possible outcomes" none of them show Rev killing mafia, doctor saving someone, toxicologist saving someone, mafia being blocked, rev and mafia targetting the same person.

I did say any and all savings are negated by the fact that I'm not counting granny kills either. Mafia can't really be blocked in a democracy so thats irrelevant

 

[Nottykitten]

Aqua tbh i would very much rather just 1/2 of notty/inf in council and we can lynch one and jail/investigate the other

rn leaning towards having notty on the council, i feel if we rely on velz to make the right decisions he might fuck it up and force dictator if both inf and notty are on council

You mean he could save our game

 

[Hunter]

Literally only swapped votes so it was more likely ender would be in the council.

Rn infected and ender are tied

 

[Aqua]

I did say any and all savings are negated by the fact that I'm not counting granny kills either. Mafia can't really be blocked in a democracy so thats irrelevant

Prizyms If dictator chooses to NK Acedia/granny whatever, do they die?

 

[Aqua]

Literally only swapped votes so it was more likely ender would be in the council.

Rn infected and ender are tied

I don't want ender, gut feeling he's rev from how he's playing.

 

[Hunter]

Prizyms If dictator chooses to NK Acedia/granny whatever, do they die?

99% sure no as hearing them cancels their power as it counts as being occupied

 

[Aqua]

Literally only swapped votes so it was more likely ender would be in the council.

Rn infected and ender are tied

besides the power to make it a democracy is in yours, fali's and velz' hands.

You have the power to carry this out properly.

 

[Aqua]

99% sure no as hearing them cancels their power as it counts as being occupied

I was thinking that but at the same time it's not necessarily a pr more of a passive so that's where my uncertainty is

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I'm not relying on that but looking at notty's "Possible outcomes" none of them show Rev killing mafia, doctor saving someone, toxicologist saving someone, mafia being blocked, rev and mafia targetting the same person.

All these possible variables completely throw a spanner into this grand guesstimate notty keeps spouting because as you really should know, it is impossible to predict mafia games.

Why would you base your gameplan on things happening to work out

If those things do happen then great, our life is easier even in autocracy, if they don't, then at least we're under autocracy and have a decent shot at winning

Dictator kills result in us not knowing the alignment of the victim so we could be shooting ourselves in the foot without realising thus as town we can't adapt as I have said ebfore.

what do you mean 'adapt', can you give a concrete example

Likewise doctor doesn't know who the dictator is the night they're elected, neither does bus meaning they're at full risk of dying every night. The only certain way we could catch the rev with the dictator route would be to put the watcher in the council so they know who the dictator is and they can see who targeted them upon death.

they'd have much better chance at surviving if we elected 5 uncc town instead of 3, although I get your point

but you're just repeating how autocracy has risks and democracy could happen to work out if we get lucky despite it also having (more) risks but I dont understand why you'd want to go with the 2nd option when the 1st has less risks

Also watcher doesn't see who targets their target if their target dies

but autocracy is riskier and is less in our hands due to the ambiguity of it.

what does this mean

I'm not relying on that but looking at notty's "Possible outcomes" none of them show Rev killing mafia, doctor saving someone, toxicologist saving someone, mafia being blocked, rev and mafia targetting the same person.

All these possible variables completely throw a spanner into this grand guesstimate notty keeps spouting because as you really should know, it is impossible to predict mafia games.

Dictator kills result in us not knowing the alignment of the victim so we could be shooting ourselves in the foot without realising thus as town we can't adapt as I have said ebfore.

Likewise doctor doesn't know who the dictator is the night they're elected, neither does bus meaning they're at full risk of dying every night. The only certain way we could catch the rev with the dictator route would be to put the watcher in the council so they know who the dictator is and they can see who targeted them upon death.

Democracy is harder and relies on us making better choices and putting in 110% to catch mafia, but autocracy is riskier and is less in our hands due to the ambiguity of it.

You have to remember mafia have more information than us regarding who's who, so why take away even more information from town?

because the information we'd be losing would probably outweigh the negatives because unless we get lucky, democracy is gonna end us the game

the post notty made was a fairly optimal town play where we only mislynched/miskilled one time and we still lost

if a doc saves a couple people, awesome, we get a grand total of like 2 mislynches or miskills

the PRs aren't going to magically make democracy a winning idea because they're not powerful enough

democracy = couple mislynches/miskills but we don't risk dictator winning (which can be prevented by switching to democracy before that happens anyway) and we get role reveals

autocracy = more mislynches/miskills except we risk dictator winning (which can be prevented by switching to democracy before that happens anyway) and we don't get role reveals

to my mind 2nd option is better but I see your concern with it I guess

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I don't want ender, gut feeling he's rev from how he's playing.

is there anything you can describe about it or is it purely a gut feeling

 

[Aqua]

Why would you base your gameplan on things happening to work out

I DO NOT HAVE A GAME PLAN BECAUSE I AM IN THE MINDSET THAT DOING THAT IN MAFIA IS STUPID.

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I WANT TOWN TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION BASED ON IT'S CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCE AT THE GIVEN TOWN.

Currently I do not believe that is a dictator ship.

what does this mean

We don't know who the dictator is town or mafia, nor do we know the alignment of the nightkill jfc.

the post notty made was a fairly optimal town play where we only mislynched/miskilled one time and we still lost

Same goes for your shooting fish in a barrel plan???

except for in that case if we do fuck up and nightkill some town civs we don't even know and can't change our plans.

 

[Aqua]

is there anything you can describe about it or is it purely a gut feeling

He's being quiet without any strong opinions, he's acting more of a mediator between both sides atm.

 

[Hunter]

besides the power to make it a democracy is in yours, fali's and velz' hands.

You have the power to carry this out properly.

i know but i don't really have faith in velz to not side w/notty and inf

is there anything you can describe about it or is it purely a gut feeling

"""vibes""

 

[Infected_alien8_]

I DO NOT HAVE A GAME PLAN BECAUSE I AM IN THE MINDSET THAT DOING THAT IN MAFIA IS STUPID.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I WANT TOWN TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION BASED ON IT'S CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCE AT THE GIVEN TOWN.

Currently I do not believe that is a dictator ship.

why not

We don't know who the dictator is town or mafia, nor do we know the alignment of the nightkill jfc.

ah yes let's elect a random person as dictator who could be mafia XD

Same goes for your shooting fish in a barrel plan???

except for in that case if we do fuck up and nightkill some town civs we don't even know and can't change our plans.

'change our plan' to what exactly, to a democracy where we garuntee lose at that point because we've used up all our mislynches? great idea aqua

 

[Infected_alien8_]

He's being quiet without any strong opinions, he's acting more of a mediator between both sides atm.

tbh I find ender 100x more reasonable than in any mafia game ever before so I do think he's being different but I wouldn't necessarily put that as him being third party

 

[Prizyms]

Prizyms If dictator chooses to NK Acedia/granny whatever, do they die?

No, since the night action or passive ability of any summoned player is negated.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

"let's do what's best for town in the current situation!

once we've done democracy and realized it's too late and we've lost, let's switch to autocracy because magic:tm: will happen and we'll win somehow!"

 

[Hunter]

Aqua
rather have potential rev on council than two likely mafia

If ender actually is rev he wouldn't get the kill as part of the court, and in any case the protester can just block him or notty

 

[Aqua]

'change our plan' to what exactly, to a democracy where we garuntee lose at that point because we've used up all our mislynches? great idea aqua

Ok so we just lose anyway cool.

 

[Infected_alien8_]

Ok so we just lose anyway cool.

yeah if we do democracy since we don't have enough kills

 

[Aqua]

Aqua
rather have potential rev on council than two likely mafia

If ender actually is rev he wouldn't get the kill as part of the court, and in any case the protester can just block him or notty

If he is made dictator he wins doesn't he?

 

[Hunter]

If he is made dictator he wins doesn't he?

that's why we're not doing dictator and in any case we'd elect one of me/fali/velz cause we're proved

 

[Hunter]

we wouldn't elect ender or notty as dictator with three proven town on council, that'd be silly

 

[Hunter]

I'm worried about notty and inf influencing velz as he has the least mafia experience and forcing him as dictator

 

[Hunter]

Since velz expressed interest in being dictator and inf/notty/velz is 3/5