Okay so I really don't have time to be doing this in big detail and I'm tired as heck but for convenience sake I will just quote posts from D1 onwards.
First off Alisha goes on about this post about "perspectives", which isn't scummy in itself, but in a sense it provides an easy way to put herself in a position of authority - which I think is what she is doing right here. This gives a giant leverage in the vote power.
Here my bet is that she's trying to facilitate the vote, regarding "last minute statements" - again, the whole thing with putting leverage on what she says.
Again with the perspectives thing.
Here's the thing, I don't have the time to count right now but I'm sure this isn't the first time you've said this - you said the same things to Weak, who claimed roleblocker, got lynched, and did flip roleblocker.
The language you're using seems to be trying to gain a bit of traction. Alisha seems to be trying to "speak generally" which is a point I have generally overlooked, as shown here:
Lastly of course we have the reads from Weak.
I have been lowkey suspecting Alisha, but the way how she flip-flopped made me read her as Town initially. Day 1 onwards this started to flip because the way how she was acting seemed almost like a Town PR but it ends up that she has claimed vanilla townie.
Again, I don't really have the time (nor the energy) to make these super long detailed posts about things. I have other work to do - there are things coming up that I need to tend to. It's not saying that I am "giving up" per se but the reason why I primarily went quiet D1 onwards was because first off I was busy as mentioned before and I also mislynched a townie and therefore felt that contributions by other people in terms of their reads would be more valuable.
Why are you still saying I flip-flopped?
Im gonna repeat myself again, Day 0 I was fine with lynching anybody. That means my move from lynching fantome to lynching ernie was not a flip flop. Sure enough Day 0 gave me information from ernie's lynch to scumread Molten, who by the way, I still scumread and that has not changed.
What does my trying to appear like a PR have to do with any of that?
Answer to the first and to rebut your second question question:
(see italicised)
Multiple times during day 0 you flipped from different lynches (I remember quoting this before) - when we pointed out that you flipped a lot you didn't seem to make an effort to hide it - again I don't see a point in bringing up events from day 0 since it was so long ago and even my memory of what happened back then is starting to blur.
You appearing like a PR because you seemed to be trying to gain influence from what you say in the tone of what you use - I have been completely pushing that aside because I'm lowkey not sure if that is just how you act or what - I had a particular fear for Town circling each other and shooting itself in the foot.
Anyway I don't see any point in dragging this out further - I have already pointed out the most recent bits of what you said that strike out to me.
I didn't flip, and why (and how) would I hide my own voting patterns? That doesn't make any sense when this is a team game
Why would you just ignore Day 0 that's what TWG said, ignoring a vital portion of the game is exactly what we shouldn't do.
(I wanted to remove the meme since it's old but I don't think I can edit it)
Gotta flip flop 'em all.
Think I pointed this out before - I don't know why you'd hide your own patterns, and I'm not going to make any assumptions based off that.
"That doesn't make any sense when this is a team game" - again the whole thing with the language here - you're generalising to what you know people will agree with to get leverage on yourself.
"ignoring a vital portion of the game is exactly what we shouldn't do" - this right here is a rabbit hole. I can't remember most of the events from day 0 honestly outside of the big highlights - my memory is just bad. By bringing things back to day 0 you are indirectly forcing us to go back to the circular, extremely meta reads that were bought up that day (you mentioned this yourself, saying referencing previous games is a "meta rabbit hole", I'm quoting this from memory). Should they be ignored completely? No, but compared to fresher evidence and more recent reads - yes, the newer reads are more current and I feel we should take into greater consideration.
Anyway I have presented all my arguments against you. I don't see a point in doing a back-and-forth argument here as that is exactly what any Mafia would want - people circling on each other will only confuse who's left if anything.
You already did and I'm not letting that go
So don't completely ignore day 0, but ignore it enough to not look at how everyone's reads have evolved over time? Am I getting that right?
Yeah and you said you only have so much time to post before you gotta be busy, but that was like 30 minutes ago right
Alright, so my case against Shadow is (as of right now) is based off the assumption that Alisha is Mafia. If Alisha is indeed not Mafia, then the whole premise of the argument would be invalid.
I will concede that my whole read on Shadow is rather groundless (as compared to Alisha), but I will try my best to point out what I found. Since Shadow didn't really talk much that I can quote on I will have to go back to day 0 for the quotations on this one.
Again first off I'm going back to Weak's reads that he thinks Alisha and Shadow are Mafia (if I recall correctly, in that order too).
Shadow was in the spotlight D0 for voting Okx, here's a bit of the exchange, nothing too outstanding, but take a look anyway:
Then there's the correlation with Alisha:
This right here could be seen as an innocuous meme post, which I'm happy to accept as such - but Alisha hardly quoted Shadow on day 0, outside of this part (if I recall correctly, again) - so this exchange here almost seems false.
At the start of Day 1, Shadow_Hunter3 posted this:
It seems like Shadow was trying to immediately stir in the possibility of there being an SK - again, this can be seen as being innocuous, but his lack of vocality from before and then making this post makes me think this post was pre-meditated.
Then on Day 1 Shadow made a 180 on Alisha:
"Big scum read". This just seems very off to me because previously he was almost siding with Alisha - and although he did "big scum read" Alisha he didn't really pursue it afterwards. The exchange between Shadow and Alisha just seems too basal.
Overall my suspicions on Shadow are in fragmented pieces that will fall apart if Alisha is indeed Town - but in which case I'd rely on all the exchanges from before and believe that he is scum.
1. How do you expect me to make assumptions of what is going on in your head when I am not you. You're asking questions like "why am I flip-flopping" etc. which implies that you want me to assume a sort of purpose in your thought.
2. I never said "completely ignore day 0", I don't know where you got that idea from, I just pointed out that it's less relevant and if we have more current evidence we should use that instead.
3. I'm making provisions to post here. I haven't had breakfast - it's 10:30AM, I have some work to do.
Anyway Choco out on this line of questioning.
That's not about what's going on in my head, it's about that both you and Molten have been pushing the word 'flip-flop' whenever you mention me, it's almost as bad as Hillary Clinton's emails
I never said you said to completely ignore day 0, I said you were telling people to ignore most of day 0
Infected_alien8_
Garry's Mod Admin
alisha and choco argueing like an old married couple over here
tbh I don't feel convinced by either arguments that have been brought up and this slightly feels like two town against each other but I need to sleep and process it a bit more, but that's my first impression
if Shadow_Hunter3 could post his suspects + answer to choco about where his read on alisha came from and why he didn't pursue it or mention it beforehand (apparently) that'd be great please
is it bad that I'm starting to just want to lynch molten despite everything that's happened
like maybe I was just completely wrong and the mafia were just letting molten die without doing anything particularly productive about it and we were right the first time yesterday and I diverted it all and now we're going into yet another diversion of choco and alisha
I need to sleep on everything
tbh I don't feel convinced by either arguments that have been brought up and this slightly feels like two town against each other but I need to sleep and process it a bit more, but that's my first impression
if Shadow_Hunter3 could post his suspects + answer to choco about where his read on alisha came from and why he didn't pursue it or mention it beforehand (apparently) that'd be great please
is it bad that I'm starting to just want to lynch molten despite everything that's happened
like maybe I was just completely wrong and the mafia were just letting molten die without doing anything particularly productive about it and we were right the first time yesterday and I diverted it all and now we're going into yet another diversion of choco and alisha
I need to sleep on everything
The only time Choco is threatened is when I bring him up, the rest of the time he slips by without being challenged
I'm down with that
Help i have choco you and tim being shipped with me and i only have one rose to give out
MoltenAshes
Member
Sorry for not being that active today.
I am VT who was about as wrong as could be yesterday.
vote alisha
I am VT who was about as wrong as could be yesterday.
vote alisha
I am also a vanilla townie.
Since it is only needed one D to have a doctor it is very likely we have a doctor. I don’t really understand why Choco chose me previous night. I think Tim or Alisha were the most obvious mafia targets, but it turned out I was wrong as well. Anyway, unless Choco gets counter claimed I think he very likely is telling thr truth.
Shadow_Hunter3
Shadow_Hunter3
Dont have time to make a post right now, but I will do that tonight
Shadow_Hunter3
Shadow_Hunter3
I'm not sure how this seems scummy to you, since she voted for a name that I didnt know, so ofcourse I asked.
There were 2 kills, so at first it made sense to me that there was an SK, but after I posted that I remembered the vigilante could kill aswell, which right after I posted tim made the claim.
I posted my first read on Alisha 2 days after the game started, and I posted the second 3 days after that. More things had gone down, I had more time to think over everything and my read changed. Why Alisha didnt pursue it I cant answer either.
So, very little content has happened over the last day...
There are currently two votes on me from the two people I've scumread for most of the game, and neither Choco nor Molten look like they're going to be budging any time soon. I don't see the point with me debating with them further since nothing I can say will change what they're doing.
Infected_alien8_ , Timdood3 , Fog , Unusual_Dood , Shadow_Hunter3 , the game is going to come down to either three of you voting with Choco and Molten to lynch me, or five of the six people that haven't voted will agree on someone else to lynch. I don't see any other way around that.
I want to lynch Molten because of his vote switch from Catgirl to TWG, and following Choco without an explanation of why. All game, Molten has been buddying with the people that would otherwise suspect him, and escaped being lynched yesterday because TWG looked scummier. For the record, I don't trust Choco either, especially with his fearmongering today. His claim is not a ticket to being townread, because this is C9++ where the scum power is aligned with the town power.
Does anybody left in this game trust me enough to entertain this idea? This is the last chance to make a difference, and the game hinges on if a few people trust me enough. If you do not, then there is nothing more I can do, and if you have to put out your votes for me, then put out the votes.
There are currently two votes on me from the two people I've scumread for most of the game, and neither Choco nor Molten look like they're going to be budging any time soon. I don't see the point with me debating with them further since nothing I can say will change what they're doing.
Infected_alien8_ , Timdood3 , Fog , Unusual_Dood , Shadow_Hunter3 , the game is going to come down to either three of you voting with Choco and Molten to lynch me, or five of the six people that haven't voted will agree on someone else to lynch. I don't see any other way around that.
I want to lynch Molten because of his vote switch from Catgirl to TWG, and following Choco without an explanation of why. All game, Molten has been buddying with the people that would otherwise suspect him, and escaped being lynched yesterday because TWG looked scummier. For the record, I don't trust Choco either, especially with his fearmongering today. His claim is not a ticket to being townread, because this is C9++ where the scum power is aligned with the town power.
Does anybody left in this game trust me enough to entertain this idea? This is the last chance to make a difference, and the game hinges on if a few people trust me enough. If you do not, then there is nothing more I can do, and if you have to put out your votes for me, then put out the votes.