Trouble in the West: Pirates vs Cowboys [Finished]
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Put me out of my misery because seriously I don't want there to be a whole Ltin fiasco. Just know that when I'm lynched you'll see -
digitalmez - (Abhorrent Adam)
Because obviously a Mafia role would claim to have a killing ability.
digitalmez - (Abhorrent Adam)
Because obviously a Mafia role would claim to have a killing ability.
Ansoro2112
Hottie
I'm sorry I haven't been posting much, but like GmK said, I've been like CRAZY busy into the World Cup sjbfaifgvadhvfdha!!. GO COSTA RICA!
And it took me SO long to catch up. I decided to read everything again from the start of this day.
There's so many possibilites right now. To be honest, I don't see myself voting for Storm at the moment. Yes, he's practically confirmed to be Anti-Town. But since he claimed Alien (A Third Party Role) it would be dumb to lynch him. Yes, I know he might be lying and everything. But I honestly believe his claim at this point. Our priority is not to go for a Third Party Role, it's to try and get out a Mafia.
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I want to address @77_is_the_best real quick. You're the only one at this point who I think I might trust thanks to your ability but I still don't get why you're voting Storm still? I get you know how the Alien Role works since you've been that role in previous seasons but right now we NEED to lynch a Mafia. Lynching a Third Party means practically handing the game to Mafia's Hand.
And I know voting Storm is the safest thing to do but is definitely not the smartest one in my opinion at this point.
There has been some talk about JK and Samlen being suspicious, etc. Honestly I still don't find them suspicious in my eyes. And I believe the things being said about JK are not really convincing.
I think the big deal right now is all the Ooglie/Swate/Digital thing. And if I need to be honest I'm still a little bit confused. With all the Ooglie being Lazy/Paranoid/Sane and Digi being either town or Anti-Town and Swate ugh.
I don't want to make any rush decisions yet until I'm sure about everything. I want to take my time to go back and read something I just remembered.
And it took me SO long to catch up. I decided to read everything again from the start of this day.
There's so many possibilites right now. To be honest, I don't see myself voting for Storm at the moment. Yes, he's practically confirmed to be Anti-Town. But since he claimed Alien (A Third Party Role) it would be dumb to lynch him. Yes, I know he might be lying and everything. But I honestly believe his claim at this point. Our priority is not to go for a Third Party Role, it's to try and get out a Mafia.
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I want to address @77_is_the_best real quick. You're the only one at this point who I think I might trust thanks to your ability but I still don't get why you're voting Storm still? I get you know how the Alien Role works since you've been that role in previous seasons but right now we NEED to lynch a Mafia. Lynching a Third Party means practically handing the game to Mafia's Hand.
And I know voting Storm is the safest thing to do but is definitely not the smartest one in my opinion at this point.
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There has been some talk about JK and Samlen being suspicious, etc. Honestly I still don't find them suspicious in my eyes. And I believe the things being said about JK are not really convincing.
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I think the big deal right now is all the Ooglie/Swate/Digital thing. And if I need to be honest I'm still a little bit confused. With all the Ooglie being Lazy/Paranoid/Sane and Digi being either town or Anti-Town and Swate ugh.
I don't want to make any rush decisions yet until I'm sure about everything. I want to take my time to go back and read something I just remembered.
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
Yeah, ok, I might as well do that thing here as well.
Jeercrul: Seems town-like to me. I haven't really noticed anything scumlike from her and her being town fits my theory about the inns. Her posts have all been logical and to the point, even if I don't always agree with her.
GmK: I'm honestly a little iffy on him. Up until Duffie getting lynched, he was acting in a really weird way. I know that he's a very experienced player and I've also witnessed his tendency to make big moves or gamble in his actions, but that doesn't change the fact that he was still acting suspiciously in the beginning. After Duffie was lynched, he kind of fell to the background for some reason, and I'm honestly not sure why. Did everyone just start believeing he was a town role because he was correct about Duffie? But what if he's a mafia member who somehow managed to learn Duffie's role and decided to take care of him because he would be as big of a threat to the mafia than he would have been to the town? What if he wanted us to trust him more and made sure to lead the lynch on Duffie because of that? Yes, it's all wild speculation, and I'm quite aware of that, but I still can't seem to shake off the feeling that there's something not right about him.
He has somehow managed to turn the game in a completely different direction, at least when regarding himself being considered suspicious, even though he has still not properly explained how he knew that Duffie wasn't aligned with the town:
Don't claim, I don't want that. I don't expect an explanation about how you knew about Duffie and I don't expect most to go with me on this FoS, but I just wanted to get this out so the point doesn't completely fade away.
endersteve5: Hi yes I'm town thank you very much
Storm886: So here we have a self-proclaimed Alien. If I assume that Swate was mafia, which I believe he was, then he fits in my theory about the inns as a third-party player. However, I acknowledge the fact that he may just as well be a mafia, who Swate chose to act as a guardian angel to him and then let his own partner down. Storm has been a lurker in almost any game I've played, regardless of his alignment. It's a good shield he has formed over him, if he's being accused of lurking, he and anyone who has played with him can come out to defend him with "But that's just his playstyle" and I agree, in this case, playstyle shouldn't be used as an argument to defend him, but I still can't help to feel like maybe, maybe it's just his playstyle.
I would only lynch Storm if we seriously had no other options we can all agree on.
Ansoro2112: Not quite sure about him. He gives off the vibe that he's what he always is when he's town: a damn fine scumhunter with an amazing gut that's correct more times than I'd like to admit. He's a little more quiet and a little less sassy than usual, I guess. I'm sort of undecided on him, I like to think he's town, but I just can't be sure for some reason.
Std1997: Uhh... yeah, you replaced... Sploorky... right? I have to say, you have been very quiet, camp or not, and so was Sploorky before you replaced him (except for that whole thing with OMO, oh yes, he was quite vocal about that.). Got something to hide, perhaps?
Timdood3: Can't quite put a finger on him either. I guess he sorta looks like a townie... but then again, a couple of decisions and posts he's made have certainly made me raise my eyebrows to a very noticeable level.
Jkangaroo: Yeah, I'd like to think he's town. His posts are well written and he explains his logic very thoroughly. I've honestly caught no reason why he should be anything but town.
Samlen: Kind of like a mini-Jk, just with a sort of a Duracell Bunny feel to him...? I dunno. I'm feeling a little more iffy about him, since he does seem to go with the opinion that someone else has already stated, although he brings his own opinion as to why he thinks something of someone and all. Not always, but still. You can't always be the first to notice everything you notice anyway.
HypeBurst: One of the players in the group that I typically tend to not understand for some reason. Not disagree with, just not understand. It's like I try to read through his posts and understand everything he says, and then end up as confused as ever. Sorry babe, you're fabulous, but I can never get a proper reading off of you. (If you're wondering who the other players in that group are, it's Digi and Anso.)
Cooliorules: Yeah, classic Coolio, as GmK stated. I tend to agree with GmK about you. I sort of feel like you're town, but then again you're sort of hard to read because you're always exactly the same. And I do mean, exactly the same. Kind of leaving the feeling that you get a lot of theories that may or may not make sense, and then run around frantically trying to defend yourself when someone doesn't understand.
Digitalmez: I believe that she is innocent. Everything she's said so far adds up, in my opinion. Also, could it be possible that she deflected Ooglie's investigation on Duffie? If she did, we'd have proof that Ooglie was, in fact, an insane cop, because third parties usually show up as not guilty, afaik.
77_is_the_best: Well, you've been sort of quiet, so it's hard to get any kind of an opinion on you, but considering your role ability (I'll assume it was you who hosted the party the night after Duffie died.) I hardly believe that anyone but a townie would have such a role, so I'll consider you a blue for the time being.
Huh. It seems that the only player I actually feel strong about at this moment is... GmK. And even so, GmK has acted in a more town-like way lately than he did at the start of the game, but all the reasons I pointed you out as my FoS for still stand.
How I feel about all the living players in the game
Jeercrul: Seems town-like to me. I haven't really noticed anything scumlike from her and her being town fits my theory about the inns. Her posts have all been logical and to the point, even if I don't always agree with her.
GmK: I'm honestly a little iffy on him. Up until Duffie getting lynched, he was acting in a really weird way. I know that he's a very experienced player and I've also witnessed his tendency to make big moves or gamble in his actions, but that doesn't change the fact that he was still acting suspiciously in the beginning. After Duffie was lynched, he kind of fell to the background for some reason, and I'm honestly not sure why. Did everyone just start believeing he was a town role because he was correct about Duffie? But what if he's a mafia member who somehow managed to learn Duffie's role and decided to take care of him because he would be as big of a threat to the mafia than he would have been to the town? What if he wanted us to trust him more and made sure to lead the lynch on Duffie because of that? Yes, it's all wild speculation, and I'm quite aware of that, but I still can't seem to shake off the feeling that there's something not right about him.
He has somehow managed to turn the game in a completely different direction, at least when regarding himself being considered suspicious, even though he has still not properly explained how he knew that Duffie wasn't aligned with the town:
Yes, yes, I get it, you don't want a target on your back, but seriously, what do you expect me to think when you start off very powerfully, making strong claims about *some* players being guilty, and then gradually decrease your input when you turn out to be correct about Duffie, so you've done your necessary to appear innocent and then start distancing yourself. (Work, fine, but I don't take outside influences into account unless they render you completely unable to post, such as being away on a vacation or camp or something.)
Don't claim, I don't want that. I don't expect an explanation about how you knew about Duffie and I don't expect most to go with me on this FoS, but I just wanted to get this out so the point doesn't completely fade away.
endersteve5: Hi yes I'm town thank you very much
Storm886: So here we have a self-proclaimed Alien. If I assume that Swate was mafia, which I believe he was, then he fits in my theory about the inns as a third-party player. However, I acknowledge the fact that he may just as well be a mafia, who Swate chose to act as a guardian angel to him and then let his own partner down. Storm has been a lurker in almost any game I've played, regardless of his alignment. It's a good shield he has formed over him, if he's being accused of lurking, he and anyone who has played with him can come out to defend him with "But that's just his playstyle" and I agree, in this case, playstyle shouldn't be used as an argument to defend him, but I still can't help to feel like maybe, maybe it's just his playstyle.
I would only lynch Storm if we seriously had no other options we can all agree on.
Ansoro2112: Not quite sure about him. He gives off the vibe that he's what he always is when he's town: a damn fine scumhunter with an amazing gut that's correct more times than I'd like to admit. He's a little more quiet and a little less sassy than usual, I guess. I'm sort of undecided on him, I like to think he's town, but I just can't be sure for some reason.
Std1997: Uhh... yeah, you replaced... Sploorky... right? I have to say, you have been very quiet, camp or not, and so was Sploorky before you replaced him (except for that whole thing with OMO, oh yes, he was quite vocal about that.). Got something to hide, perhaps?
Timdood3: Can't quite put a finger on him either. I guess he sorta looks like a townie... but then again, a couple of decisions and posts he's made have certainly made me raise my eyebrows to a very noticeable level.
Jkangaroo: Yeah, I'd like to think he's town. His posts are well written and he explains his logic very thoroughly. I've honestly caught no reason why he should be anything but town.
Samlen: Kind of like a mini-Jk, just with a sort of a Duracell Bunny feel to him...? I dunno. I'm feeling a little more iffy about him, since he does seem to go with the opinion that someone else has already stated, although he brings his own opinion as to why he thinks something of someone and all. Not always, but still. You can't always be the first to notice everything you notice anyway.
HypeBurst: One of the players in the group that I typically tend to not understand for some reason. Not disagree with, just not understand. It's like I try to read through his posts and understand everything he says, and then end up as confused as ever. Sorry babe, you're fabulous, but I can never get a proper reading off of you. (If you're wondering who the other players in that group are, it's Digi and Anso.)
Cooliorules: Yeah, classic Coolio, as GmK stated. I tend to agree with GmK about you. I sort of feel like you're town, but then again you're sort of hard to read because you're always exactly the same. And I do mean, exactly the same. Kind of leaving the feeling that you get a lot of theories that may or may not make sense, and then run around frantically trying to defend yourself when someone doesn't understand.
Digitalmez: I believe that she is innocent. Everything she's said so far adds up, in my opinion. Also, could it be possible that she deflected Ooglie's investigation on Duffie? If she did, we'd have proof that Ooglie was, in fact, an insane cop, because third parties usually show up as not guilty, afaik.
77_is_the_best: Well, you've been sort of quiet, so it's hard to get any kind of an opinion on you, but considering your role ability (I'll assume it was you who hosted the party the night after Duffie died.) I hardly believe that anyone but a townie would have such a role, so I'll consider you a blue for the time being.
Huh. It seems that the only player I actually feel strong about at this moment is... GmK. And even so, GmK has acted in a more town-like way lately than he did at the start of the game, but all the reasons I pointed you out as my FoS for still stand.
Forgot to unvote after this, though now I can say I do believe in digi's claim almost completely. The only thing that puts me off is the defeatist attitude she adopted in her last post =S
I was worried that we, as a town, were putting what little effort we were into this game into bickering about what Digi/Storm/Swate were/are, and considering that we've maybe killed one Pirate so far (I'm beginning to think a little more strongly that we have by this point), we needed to look at other people too to be able to look for other potential Pirates, since there were likely at least 4 others running around. As for pointing people away from me, that's what I believe everyone would do, regardless of what side they're on, though I hadn't believed that I had really been doing so very strongly. Hope that helps explain things a bit more.
I think that maybe we should do more analyses of everyone living, like Ender and GmK. It'll probably be useful to see what people think of everyone else.
Digitalmez: Was uncertain for awhile, figured was anti-town at first, then when I looked back at the previous day and thought about it awhile, I starting leaning towards more pro-town. Now with her revealing what her role does, it makes sense to me, and the only thing that worries me about her is her defeatist attitude, which I can't see as really helping us cowboys, but still feels more pro-town than most people, surprisingly enough.
Jeercrul: The person I actually took longest to think about, since I feel like I just don't know. Doesn't seem to stand out much to me in much of anyway, and makes me worried that I can't seem to find an opinion, or even much of instinct to go on here. Paying close attention to figure out what side they're playing for.
endersteve5: Knows what he's doing and seems more pro-town than anti-town, but I feel like he could easily be playing for either side. Keeping an eye on him for now and I don't know what else to say about him.
GmK: Started out feeling like a wildcard, and seemed to more interested in spreading chaos at first, but then mostly disappears for quite a while. Considering how I'm fairly certain he's an experienced player, this worries me a fair bit. I feel like he could make himself come off as whatever, regardless of what side he was on, though if I were to guess what side, it feels like he's played more anti-town pro-town with the way he's acted so far.
Storm886: Shifty character. Even if we believe everything he's said, he's basically admitted to bussing his only possible partner in the whole game. I feel like I can trust his claim, but not him himself. Definitely up there with the more suspicious people, but I feel like that by trusting his claim, we should leave him alone so we can take care of the Pirates.
std1997: Too lurker-like, hard to get a good read on him. The fact that his predecessor was almost as lurker-ish (sploorky) makes me suspicious, and what little he posts doesn't seem to be directed towards doing much at all, which is hardly pro-town. I personally would want more to look at before judging his alignment, but what little I've seen leans a little closer to anti-town.
Timdood3: One of the more active people, and seems to be trying to help. Doesn't completely make sense to me, and some things he's done don't feel completely pro-town, but won't say that he's leaning more towards either side really.
JKangaroo: A dangerous person for whatever side he's on, when he takes the time to do so, he can usually tear apart someone and can be fairly convincing about it. Can't say I feel he's anti-town or pro-town, just that I'm wary of him.
Samlen: From someone else's viewpoint, I can see myself either way. I haven't done anything to be able to prove myself as a cowboy, but looking at what I've posted, I'd say it at least looks like I'm trying to do what's best for the town, though from what I've seen, some people still consider this suspicious anyways.
HypeBurst: Pretty quiet, like a lot of other people on here. Explanations for being quiet sort of make sense, but should still post opinions to try and help town out more than doing nothing. Looks more pro-town, and feels more likely to be pro-town than anti-town, but could help by posting more.
cooliorules: Don't even know here, makes little to no sense to me most of the time the few times she posts. Initial instinct says anti-town, but little else to back it up either way.
77_is_the_best: I feel like the partyhost role could be from either side, but I'd say 77 feels more pro-town than anti-town, but still feels too quiet, which worries me a bit.
ansoro2112: Doesn't post a lot, but makes sense to me. Can't make much of a judgement call on what side he's playing for without more to look at, but from what I've seen (and partially from instincts) seems more pro-town than anti-town.
Aaaaand to end the post;
Unvote
I do see that the focus is kind of being steered away from Storm and I, but ultimately by the end of the day the choice will come down to us two. But I'll read through the thread and see what I can muster up.Samlen said:
Alpha's Mid-Day Vote Count - The battle between Alpha and GmK for vote count supremacy continues!
storm886 (1) - 77_is_the_best
digitalmez (1) - JKangaroo
Not voted(11) - THE CURRENT NEUTRALS(GmK, Endersteve5, Hypeburst, Jeercrul, digitalmez, std1997, cooliorules, timdood3, storm886, ansoro2112, Samlen)
storm886 (1) - 77_is_the_best
digitalmez (1) - JKangaroo
Not voted(11) - THE CURRENT NEUTRALS(GmK, Endersteve5, Hypeburst, Jeercrul, digitalmez, std1997, cooliorules, timdood3, storm886, ansoro2112, Samlen)
HypeBurst
Just Fabulous
Before I go into my thoughts on eveyone...
@Samlen I disagree with you when you say that Ive been quiet and been doing nothing. I've tried my hardest to be very vocal in this game because 'being quiet' has been what everyone said about me in past games. Just recently I'll take that Ive been quiet because I've been very busy with this gosh dang R.E assessment but prior to that, I feel like I was one of the most active people. I would go back and count my posts if I feel thats necessary :c
Anyway.... Thoughts on People wooo
Jeer
She my bae so I might be a bit biased here but I get strong town vibes from her and I feel like I can trust her at this point. I didnt find her suspicions post to be confusing at all and I thought most of the point were quite thought provoking, and made me re-adjust my perception of the game.
GmK
My position on Kakey has been up and down this whole game. At points I've been thinking "he's obvs mafia, I should post something against him" and at other times I've been like "He's so town, I better defend him". I was thinking about voting him when the Duffie lynch was happening, but I stuck to my gut which paid off. Right now GmK is slowly rising in my perceptions but I still dont trust him very much.
ender
Under Jeer in trust now but he's been my top trustworthy person in this game prior. He's been logical but sometimes I've disagreed with the logic he demonstrates. Still trustworthy I believe.
storm
I believe his claim that he is the alien. I think he should lynch him later on when we arent in a vital position.
ansoro
Quiet, really unsure on him this game. I believe his game has picked up recently and he's been scumhunting but still really wishy washy on the ansoro perspective, leaning towards town.
Std
NO FUCKING IDEA. Been very quiet and I liked the point that coolio brought up about him posting to just avoid being seen as lurking, he might have rebuttal-ed it but I cant remember. Leaning towards anti-town right now.
Tim
I was really cautious of him towards the middle of this game but he hasnt done anything recently that set off my scum alerter so I guess I'm just weary of him at this point. I'm just watching him but he intentions recently seem to be pro-town.
JK Rowling (because he writes fucking books)
Honestly I have been trusting basically every post that he made in this game (except the digi one), but the back and forth that Jeer and Coolio had, really changed my outlook on him. I'm not saying I think he's evil by any means but I've decided to take what JK says with a grain of salt like I have with other people's posts, rather than just follow him like I used to do.
Samlen
I believe someone used the term "mini jk" or something along those lines which I feel like is the best term to describe him. Called me quiet so I hate him (jk <3) but he's suddenly taken a rather stronger approach to the game which is different from how he started. I'm not sure if its him slowly getting his game on track or something else but my eyes will be watching him too.
HypeBurst
Mother Ter-fucking-esa. I'm an angel, dont lynch me
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Coolio
She cute, I always get town vibes from her, I'm not sure why, maybe it's because SHE'S CONSTANTLY TOWN. This game is kinda the same as all the others, town vibes for the gods.
Digi
She also ma bae <3. I was rather suspicious of her when she answered the question about Swate but I see we were looking at the question from different perspectives so I could understand where she was coming from. I trust her claim because shes a pussy and would direct abilities off of herself on to other people (jk again <3) but yeah, I'm seeing town right now. (I'm really glad that discussion about her picked up because I was close to voting her awhile back when we had halted).
77
If it wasn't for the night ability, I think 77 would be pretty high in my suspicion list because he's been almost as lurky as std. But partyhost sounds very town so I'm locking in town 100% for 77.
so that took awhile c:
@Samlen I disagree with you when you say that Ive been quiet and been doing nothing. I've tried my hardest to be very vocal in this game because 'being quiet' has been what everyone said about me in past games. Just recently I'll take that Ive been quiet because I've been very busy with this gosh dang R.E assessment but prior to that, I feel like I was one of the most active people. I would go back and count my posts if I feel thats necessary :c
Anyway.... Thoughts on People wooo
Jeer
She my bae so I might be a bit biased here but I get strong town vibes from her and I feel like I can trust her at this point. I didnt find her suspicions post to be confusing at all and I thought most of the point were quite thought provoking, and made me re-adjust my perception of the game.
GmK
My position on Kakey has been up and down this whole game. At points I've been thinking "he's obvs mafia, I should post something against him" and at other times I've been like "He's so town, I better defend him". I was thinking about voting him when the Duffie lynch was happening, but I stuck to my gut which paid off. Right now GmK is slowly rising in my perceptions but I still dont trust him very much.
ender
Under Jeer in trust now but he's been my top trustworthy person in this game prior. He's been logical but sometimes I've disagreed with the logic he demonstrates. Still trustworthy I believe.
storm
I believe his claim that he is the alien. I think he should lynch him later on when we arent in a vital position.
ansoro
Quiet, really unsure on him this game. I believe his game has picked up recently and he's been scumhunting but still really wishy washy on the ansoro perspective, leaning towards town.
Std
NO FUCKING IDEA. Been very quiet and I liked the point that coolio brought up about him posting to just avoid being seen as lurking, he might have rebuttal-ed it but I cant remember. Leaning towards anti-town right now.
Tim
I was really cautious of him towards the middle of this game but he hasnt done anything recently that set off my scum alerter so I guess I'm just weary of him at this point. I'm just watching him but he intentions recently seem to be pro-town.
JK Rowling (because he writes fucking books)
Honestly I have been trusting basically every post that he made in this game (except the digi one), but the back and forth that Jeer and Coolio had, really changed my outlook on him. I'm not saying I think he's evil by any means but I've decided to take what JK says with a grain of salt like I have with other people's posts, rather than just follow him like I used to do.
Samlen
I believe someone used the term "mini jk" or something along those lines which I feel like is the best term to describe him. Called me quiet so I hate him (jk <3) but he's suddenly taken a rather stronger approach to the game which is different from how he started. I'm not sure if its him slowly getting his game on track or something else but my eyes will be watching him too.
HypeBurst
Mother Ter-fucking-esa. I'm an angel, dont lynch me
.Coolio
She cute, I always get town vibes from her, I'm not sure why, maybe it's because SHE'S CONSTANTLY TOWN. This game is kinda the same as all the others, town vibes for the gods.
Digi
She also ma bae <3. I was rather suspicious of her when she answered the question about Swate but I see we were looking at the question from different perspectives so I could understand where she was coming from. I trust her claim because shes a pussy and would direct abilities off of herself on to other people (jk again <3) but yeah, I'm seeing town right now. (I'm really glad that discussion about her picked up because I was close to voting her awhile back when we had halted).
77
If it wasn't for the night ability, I think 77 would be pretty high in my suspicion list because he's been almost as lurky as std. But partyhost sounds very town so I'm locking in town 100% for 77.
so that took awhile c:
JKangaroo
Your Local, Neighborhood Marsupial
I've been reading over some things, and frankly, I'm still concerned about the Ooglie/Swate/Digi discussion.
And though digi's claim appears good, it just feels... so safe; it can't really be proved, eerily similar to Ltin which was just last game (and then again that resulted in town so...).
I still stand firm that Ooglie could not have been "insane." To me, there is enough evidence to suggest that he was an activated lazy cop, and nothing else.(insane and lazy seems a tad overboard and unlikely) Due to this, I still have a strong belief that Swate was a mislynch and that he was in fact town or even possibly 3rd-party... (but not mafia)
But the sheer bloody number of different scenario's that could just come out of the 3 players from Ooglie's investigation is just so stupid that I doubt its even worth bothering with 'em, which is really the main reason I'm even tentatively unvoting, and even that's for the time being.
All of the scenarios, frankly, seem possible (except insanity, I don't trust that one at all, and like I said before, that theory is, in my opinion, more or less just a relic from the previous day that really no longer has good support anymore), but I'm still doubtful of them.
In the back of my mind, there still is a cloud of doubt about this because despite it all, digi still doesn't seem right, and with no real way to prove either I just hope we aren't letting a Mafia slip through the cracks (because we've already lost so much town to rushed / bad logic, if the evidence here is actually solid, then we're being played for fools by actual mafia pushing the suspicion away), which is why I'm tentatively unvoting to see if there's any other leads we can go on/discuss.
Anways, if we're all gonna start posting these long lists of how we feel about currently living players, well then, might as well join in.
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{td=left}Jeercrul{/td}
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Uncertain. There's still the feeling of Jeer's posts having a certain air of trustworthiness about them and are (generally) solid, though feel a tad safe and exaggerates at times. Nothing major I can note however. Probably town.{/td}
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{td}GmK{/td}
{td} I may have been suspicious of GmK previously, even voted on him a number of times. However after recent events/reading further back I no longer have as much suspicion on him. May not make sense up front some of the time, but he is one of the players I currently feel I can trust as town.{/td}
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{td}endersteve5{/td}
{td}Has an imposing aura (or is that just me). Feels town; might not agree with the same logic at times but feels genuine and trustworthy. Hasn't really shown any behavior that would hint at anti-town tendencies. Currently town-feeling.{/td}
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{td}storm886{/td}
{td}Claims Alien. Possible, but why did he claim again? He didn't really need to claim there and then just because Swate claimed to have jailed him. May or may not be true, feels fishy; uncertain how to progress with this information.{/td}
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{td}ansoro2112{/td}
{td}Generally straightforward, concise, but quiet player. Feels to be the most level-headed player most of the time, though may not contribute as much as he could (current reason: World Cup, however, is understandable). Feels town-like.{/td}
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{td}std1997{/td}
{td}Sort of lurking; Sploorky was a bit of a lurker as well besides pushing to lynch Oak early on over something small (but that certainly turned into a rolling bandwagon). Hasn't said much after replacement either however, so its hard to get an idea about. {/td}
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{td}Timdood3{/td}
{td}Don't really agree with a lot of arguments; sometimes logical, sometimes illogical. Could be town, could not be. Still feels like something is fishy/wrong. On the fence in terms of opinion. {/td}
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{td}JKangaroo {/td}
{td}Hello. I like to eat Chinese Food. Yum.{/td}
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{td}Samlen{/td}
{td}Good posts, decent logic, active; all seem fairly "safe" however. No strong opinions at this point in time. Possibly hiding behind a sort of safe town-playing style? Don't know. Want to believe he is town however.{/td}
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{td}
Hypeburst{/td}
{td}Probably the only other person I feel is genuinely town; still don't agree with reasons on voting Duffie (though that's really said for basically all other Duffie votes), but for the most part I think everything else is pretty solid. Opinion hasn't really changed much since the start of the game. Seems pro-town.{/td}
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{td}
cooliorules{/td}
{td}Haphazard. I don't personally understand the "classic coolio" thing that seems to be said a lot. o .o, so I guess my opinion is more of an outside view. Ignoring the present suspicion on myself... I too feel suspicious of coolio; I even thought at the time that she was the arsonist before Duffie died, but coolio still felt weird before that. Guess its hypocritical of me, but other feelings are similar to suspicions on me: feel like (what appears to be from posts) of past history with other players ("classic coolio") makes coolio get somewhat overlooked, but that's a silly, bias statement. Logic can be haphazard at times which makes ACTUAL opinions/suspicions hard to create/read. Doesn't feel town though, at least, imo.{/td}
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{td}
digitalmez{/td}
{td}Tentative. The claim is safe and believable, but I still feel strongly in Ooglie's investigations and that he is not insane, and had Ooglie not claimed I would probably believe the Abhorrent Adam town story. Other scenario's suggest other possibilities however which makes me tentative; I still feel like there's some information being hidden from us... but who knows?{/td}
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{td}
77_is_the_best{/td}
{td}Tends to lurk and hasn't exactly contributed much past the party-host claim and revealing inns(but why spokespeople?). Uncertain; traditionally a town role with party-host, but who knows, because I mean, don't pirates like to pillage and party too? With traditional mafia roles turned town like vampire last game, I'm skeptical.{/td}
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Out of the 20 players, I would say its a safe bet that 4 or 5 out of the remaining 13 (simply due to traditional Mafia ratio's happen to be) players are Mafia, and seem to have hidden themselves well amoung the remaining players to have not gotten a single death out of the 7 thus far (I'm not including Swate because I'm still extremely skeptical as said before, you can add him if you wish) while taking out very strong town PR's.
I feel like the Mafia this time around are hiding more in plain sight, but without any good evidence its hard to solidify or push on that.
Some current suspicions are:
-Obviously digi though currently in a tentative spot, coolio to an extent, tim, and std.
However if digi is indeed innocent, then I would highly believe that, with what appears to be a high number of cops (I've personally never seen 2 so I view that as high), especially since it appears both were normal (though we have no information on that; i view Ooglie as "normal" despite the lazy factor because I think it still shows normal cop investigations), then I would suggest the high probability that there is a current framer-esq role employed by the Mafia.
And though I'm not sure how that would fit into the theme (well, most of the roles aren't exactly that themed past the sherrifs anyways so I guess that doesn't really matter) but it's a hunch, and feels like the only way I can believe in digi's claim.
Oh yeah, and I said I would unvote for the time being.
Unvote
And though digi's claim appears good, it just feels... so safe; it can't really be proved, eerily similar to Ltin which was just last game (and then again that resulted in town so...).
I still stand firm that Ooglie could not have been "insane." To me, there is enough evidence to suggest that he was an activated lazy cop, and nothing else.(insane and lazy seems a tad overboard and unlikely) Due to this, I still have a strong belief that Swate was a mislynch and that he was in fact town or even possibly 3rd-party... (but not mafia)
But the sheer bloody number of different scenario's that could just come out of the 3 players from Ooglie's investigation is just so stupid that I doubt its even worth bothering with 'em, which is really the main reason I'm even tentatively unvoting, and even that's for the time being.
(Note: made with information off the top of my head; may or may not be correct scenarios but i'm 90% sure that I got some of the possibilities correct)
+Ooglie is Insane, even before getting "delayed"; Day 1, Swate showing up "innocent" actually means he's guilty, Digi is cleared
+Ooglie is normal, but gets lazy/insane; Swate was safe, Digi is safe, both are cleared.
+Ooglie is insane, Swate could be Godfather (but wouldn't, due to the insane cops effect, make him show up as guilty still because it clashes with the godfather effect? I don't know)
+Ooglie is normal then lazy/insane; Swate is safe or Godfather, Digi is safe
+Ooglie was never insane, became lazy; Swate is safe or Godfather, Digi is evil or has some kind of miller-esq/town role that makes her show up as anti-town
+Ooglie is normal, became lazy; Swate is safe, Godfather, or was lawyered'
+Ooglie is normal, became lazy; Digi is guilty, miller/whatever, was framed, or may be some third-party that must be killed for town to win
+Maybe Ooglie is confused? aka. he gets random cop investigations
Etc, etc, yada yada, the list goes on (also stated some, possibly repeats, previously too)
+Ooglie is Insane, even before getting "delayed"; Day 1, Swate showing up "innocent" actually means he's guilty, Digi is cleared
+Ooglie is normal, but gets lazy/insane; Swate was safe, Digi is safe, both are cleared.
+Ooglie is insane, Swate could be Godfather (but wouldn't, due to the insane cops effect, make him show up as guilty still because it clashes with the godfather effect? I don't know)
+Ooglie is normal then lazy/insane; Swate is safe or Godfather, Digi is safe
+Ooglie was never insane, became lazy; Swate is safe or Godfather, Digi is evil or has some kind of miller-esq/town role that makes her show up as anti-town
+Ooglie is normal, became lazy; Swate is safe, Godfather, or was lawyered'
+Ooglie is normal, became lazy; Digi is guilty, miller/whatever, was framed, or may be some third-party that must be killed for town to win
+Maybe Ooglie is confused? aka. he gets random cop investigations
Etc, etc, yada yada, the list goes on (also stated some, possibly repeats, previously too)
In the back of my mind, there still is a cloud of doubt about this because despite it all, digi still doesn't seem right, and with no real way to prove either I just hope we aren't letting a Mafia slip through the cracks (because we've already lost so much town to rushed / bad logic, if the evidence here is actually solid, then we're being played for fools by actual mafia pushing the suspicion away), which is why I'm tentatively unvoting to see if there's any other leads we can go on/discuss.
Anways, if we're all gonna start posting these long lists of how we feel about currently living players, well then, might as well join in.
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{td=left}Jeercrul{/td}
{td}
Uncertain. There's still the feeling of Jeer's posts having a certain air of trustworthiness about them and are (generally) solid, though feel a tad safe and exaggerates at times. Nothing major I can note however. Probably town.{/td}
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{td}GmK{/td}
{td} I may have been suspicious of GmK previously, even voted on him a number of times. However after recent events/reading further back I no longer have as much suspicion on him. May not make sense up front some of the time, but he is one of the players I currently feel I can trust as town.{/td}
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{td}endersteve5{/td}
{td}Has an imposing aura (or is that just me). Feels town; might not agree with the same logic at times but feels genuine and trustworthy. Hasn't really shown any behavior that would hint at anti-town tendencies. Currently town-feeling.{/td}
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{td}storm886{/td}
{td}Claims Alien. Possible, but why did he claim again? He didn't really need to claim there and then just because Swate claimed to have jailed him. May or may not be true, feels fishy; uncertain how to progress with this information.{/td}
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{td}ansoro2112{/td}
{td}Generally straightforward, concise, but quiet player. Feels to be the most level-headed player most of the time, though may not contribute as much as he could (current reason: World Cup, however, is understandable). Feels town-like.{/td}
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{td}std1997{/td}
{td}Sort of lurking; Sploorky was a bit of a lurker as well besides pushing to lynch Oak early on over something small (but that certainly turned into a rolling bandwagon). Hasn't said much after replacement either however, so its hard to get an idea about. {/td}
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{td}Timdood3{/td}
{td}Don't really agree with a lot of arguments; sometimes logical, sometimes illogical. Could be town, could not be. Still feels like something is fishy/wrong. On the fence in terms of opinion. {/td}
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{td}JKangaroo {/td}
{td}Hello. I like to eat Chinese Food. Yum.{/td}
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{td}Samlen{/td}
{td}Good posts, decent logic, active; all seem fairly "safe" however. No strong opinions at this point in time. Possibly hiding behind a sort of safe town-playing style? Don't know. Want to believe he is town however.{/td}
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{td}
Hypeburst{/td}
{td}Probably the only other person I feel is genuinely town; still don't agree with reasons on voting Duffie (though that's really said for basically all other Duffie votes), but for the most part I think everything else is pretty solid. Opinion hasn't really changed much since the start of the game. Seems pro-town.{/td}
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{td}
cooliorules{/td}
{td}Haphazard. I don't personally understand the "classic coolio" thing that seems to be said a lot. o .o, so I guess my opinion is more of an outside view. Ignoring the present suspicion on myself... I too feel suspicious of coolio; I even thought at the time that she was the arsonist before Duffie died, but coolio still felt weird before that. Guess its hypocritical of me, but other feelings are similar to suspicions on me: feel like (what appears to be from posts) of past history with other players ("classic coolio") makes coolio get somewhat overlooked, but that's a silly, bias statement. Logic can be haphazard at times which makes ACTUAL opinions/suspicions hard to create/read. Doesn't feel town though, at least, imo.{/td}
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{td}
digitalmez{/td}
{td}Tentative. The claim is safe and believable, but I still feel strongly in Ooglie's investigations and that he is not insane, and had Ooglie not claimed I would probably believe the Abhorrent Adam town story. Other scenario's suggest other possibilities however which makes me tentative; I still feel like there's some information being hidden from us... but who knows?{/td}
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{td}
77_is_the_best{/td}
{td}Tends to lurk and hasn't exactly contributed much past the party-host claim and revealing inns(but why spokespeople?). Uncertain; traditionally a town role with party-host, but who knows, because I mean, don't pirates like to pillage and party too? With traditional mafia roles turned town like vampire last game, I'm skeptical.{/td}
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Out of the 20 players, I would say its a safe bet that 4 or 5 out of the remaining 13 (simply due to traditional Mafia ratio's happen to be) players are Mafia, and seem to have hidden themselves well amoung the remaining players to have not gotten a single death out of the 7 thus far (I'm not including Swate because I'm still extremely skeptical as said before, you can add him if you wish) while taking out very strong town PR's.
I feel like the Mafia this time around are hiding more in plain sight, but without any good evidence its hard to solidify or push on that.
Some current suspicions are:
-Obviously digi though currently in a tentative spot, coolio to an extent, tim, and std.
However if digi is indeed innocent, then I would highly believe that, with what appears to be a high number of cops (I've personally never seen 2 so I view that as high), especially since it appears both were normal (though we have no information on that; i view Ooglie as "normal" despite the lazy factor because I think it still shows normal cop investigations), then I would suggest the high probability that there is a current framer-esq role employed by the Mafia.
And though I'm not sure how that would fit into the theme (well, most of the roles aren't exactly that themed past the sherrifs anyways so I guess that doesn't really matter) but it's a hunch, and feels like the only way I can believe in digi's claim.
Oh yeah, and I said I would unvote for the time being.
Unvote
cooliorules
That Awkward Noodle
"Classic coolio"
Can you (@GmK and @endersteve5) tell me what you mean by "Classic coolio"
It's a vague statement to make, then not explain it exactly.
Next few quotes etc. are most likely (definitely) not in order. Excuse that, I'm in math class trying to read through. Will read more thoroughly later.
I don't mean this to be rude, just pointing it out.
I've learnt that from two seasons ago (I think it was 2) (yeah I was stupid and fed up and had no way out of it) that you don't just say "I'm town". Especially on epicmafia. But still. People who blantantly say "I'm town" just call out anti-town to me. There is nothing else, really, against you people. Just as a general point out.
I might as well do it as well because everyone else is yay:
(Side note, half of this was written at school, the other half at home. Thoughts may be inconsistent, but I did my best to just continue what I was saying and thinking. I think I stopped at school during Ender or GmK. Not too sure, though)
Digitalmez: Seems like a town. Now that she's explained her role a bit more (with the deflecting stuff) I can start to believe that she's town and swate was mafia.
Jeercrul: Don't know what I think of Jeer. Posts make sense, but not sure what alignment I think you are.
Endersteve5: I have an (ever so slight) hunch on you. Nothing particular, just a slight hunch.
GmK: Don't really know how to feel about you. As some others said, you seemed to sort of... disappear (not the best of words, just come back from a long day of school) after the Duffie lynch.
Storm886: Either 3rd praty (alien, as claimed) or a smart mafia (or has smart mafia team). If you're mafia, then one of your team mates could have said to claim as 3P, as our priority is to lynch mafia instead of the 3P players. If you're 3P, then you chose a smart time to claim. Whatever happens, I will be voting you out at the next possible chance.
std1997: Too quiet. If you don't start to speak up a bit more, I'll be voting you. Someone to posts nonsense is better then someone who doesn't post at all.
Timdood3: You seem to be giving your input a lot, which is helpful to the town. I have a slight feeling that you have some outside source (mafia, possibly, or an inn? I can't remember if you said you were in an inn or not, don't have time to check, either, unfortunately. Trying to put my mind out for now before dance). I'll be watching
JKangaroo: As I've said, I have a hunch. This hunch is purely a gut feeling. The "getting overlooked" (can't remember exact phrasing) is just something that I'm finding annoying. People will NEVER deem you suspicious. Like sure, there's nothing to ever accuse you with because you set things out perfectly. Too perfectly. Now that I think about it, I think more 3P then mafia.
Samlen: I'm not too sure what to say about you. Town vibes from you. Not much more to say.
Hypeburst: Not too sure what to think of you. Sorry </3
Cooliorules: Yep hi. How are you today?
77_is_the_best: Too. Damn. Quiet. Same deal at std/sploorky.
Ansoro2112: I know that you don't have much time, but maybe a post every day or two, instead of a semi-long post every week or so.
My current Foses; (these are mostly just small. Generally hunches)
Endersteve5, Timdood3, Storm886
Okay so lastly:
I don't like it when people continuously agree with each other. What I mean is person A saying thing, and person B agreeing. Then that happening over and over. If I see it much more, the person following will get my vote.
Ily guys, don't take any of this to heart.
Can you (@GmK and @endersteve5) tell me what you mean by "Classic coolio"
It's a vague statement to make, then not explain it exactly.
Next few quotes etc. are most likely (definitely) not in order. Excuse that, I'm in math class trying to read through. Will read more thoroughly later.
Sorry but I think I've posted here a lot more then like 50% of the players so stfu. Thanks <3
I don't mean this to be rude, just pointing it out.
Hate to break it to you, but people who say that immediately become suspicious.
I've learnt that from two seasons ago (I think it was 2) (yeah I was stupid and fed up and had no way out of it) that you don't just say "I'm town". Especially on epicmafia. But still. People who blantantly say "I'm town" just call out anti-town to me. There is nothing else, really, against you people. Just as a general point out.
I might as well do it as well because everyone else is yay:
(Side note, half of this was written at school, the other half at home. Thoughts may be inconsistent, but I did my best to just continue what I was saying and thinking. I think I stopped at school during Ender or GmK. Not too sure, though)
Digitalmez: Seems like a town. Now that she's explained her role a bit more (with the deflecting stuff) I can start to believe that she's town and swate was mafia.
Jeercrul: Don't know what I think of Jeer. Posts make sense, but not sure what alignment I think you are.
Endersteve5: I have an (ever so slight) hunch on you. Nothing particular, just a slight hunch.
GmK: Don't really know how to feel about you. As some others said, you seemed to sort of... disappear (not the best of words, just come back from a long day of school) after the Duffie lynch.
Storm886: Either 3rd praty (alien, as claimed) or a smart mafia (or has smart mafia team). If you're mafia, then one of your team mates could have said to claim as 3P, as our priority is to lynch mafia instead of the 3P players. If you're 3P, then you chose a smart time to claim. Whatever happens, I will be voting you out at the next possible chance.
std1997: Too quiet. If you don't start to speak up a bit more, I'll be voting you. Someone to posts nonsense is better then someone who doesn't post at all.
Timdood3: You seem to be giving your input a lot, which is helpful to the town. I have a slight feeling that you have some outside source (mafia, possibly, or an inn? I can't remember if you said you were in an inn or not, don't have time to check, either, unfortunately. Trying to put my mind out for now before dance). I'll be watching
JKangaroo: As I've said, I have a hunch. This hunch is purely a gut feeling. The "getting overlooked" (can't remember exact phrasing) is just something that I'm finding annoying. People will NEVER deem you suspicious. Like sure, there's nothing to ever accuse you with because you set things out perfectly. Too perfectly. Now that I think about it, I think more 3P then mafia.
Samlen: I'm not too sure what to say about you. Town vibes from you. Not much more to say.
Hypeburst: Not too sure what to think of you. Sorry </3
Cooliorules: Yep hi. How are you today?
77_is_the_best: Too. Damn. Quiet. Same deal at std/sploorky.
Ansoro2112: I know that you don't have much time, but maybe a post every day or two, instead of a semi-long post every week or so.
My current Foses; (these are mostly just small. Generally hunches)
Endersteve5, Timdood3, Storm886
Okay so lastly:
I don't like it when people continuously agree with each other. What I mean is person A saying thing, and person B agreeing. Then that happening over and over. If I see it much more, the person following will get my vote.
Ily guys, don't take any of this to heart.
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
I did explain it. For your convinience:
I might add to that that you always seem to try and come up with theories that no one else has suggested yet, or something along those lines. It's like you always try so hard to make sure you're different from the general consensus or whatever. That's what "classic Coolio" means to me, it means the general behaviour of yours that you always have and pretty much never changes. That's also the reason why I'm having a hard time getting a reading on you, because you're always exactly the same to me.
As for these bits:
What do you expect me to say? "Hi, I'm Mafia, please lynch me!"? Obviously I know that I'm town, I wasn't defending against anyone, I was only giving my opinions on players, and yes, of course I know I'm town. I honestly don't understand how that makes me suspicious. I guess it would be somewhat different if I was under heavy fire from you guys, and actually defending myself against you all, "Hi yes I'm town pls dun lynch me" would indeed accomplish nothing in that kind of a situation, but I fail to see how it makes me suspicious in this particular scenario.
What. I'm sorry, seriously, what? If someone has a theory that they can back up with either explanations, proof or logic, why on Earth should we not agree with it when it's perfectly likely in our minds? We can't all be unique little snowflakes, coming up with our own theories and whatnot, sometimes, someone else gets there first and posts it first, and then there's not much for us to do than simply agree to it. Otherwise we'll get called out for lurking and then deemed suspicious anyway. Let me remind you that agreeing to a theory is the only reasonable way that we can actually lynch scum. If we all do our own thing and then end up with two or three votes being the high limit, then we'll end up lynching a townie because of a deadline, and we really wouldn't want that, would we?
Also, if you're gonna call me out now as "not wanting to look suspicious" because of this:
Yeah, not really, no. Every single town member should also give their best at not looking suspicious, because of either a) Being a power role and it would really suck lynching a town PR or b) Simply being town and it would really suck lynching any town.
If you have a theory that you think is gonna help lynch scum, but will make you look suspicious, that's a somewhat different business, but you should still look for a way to make yourself look as innocent as possible, regardless of if you're town or not.
cooliorules
That Awkward Noodle
Because I don't like to just restate what others are saying. I'd like to have my own opinion or perspective from things. Is that against the rules?
Maybe you could just said "oh yup me" or something. I never said ANYTHING about you saying you saying to say you're mafia (wow that didn't make much sense to me.... just that sentence....).
I don't mean once or twice, I mean over. And over. And over. And over. And over.
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
No, it's not against the rules, I don't mean to say there's anything wrong with that. You simply asked for a definition of "classic Coolio" and I provided one for you.
And the other point: if it's a good point, again, why shouldn't we agree to it? We'll never going to get to the end of the day unless we agree on someone to lynch.
Alpha's Fixing Vote Count - Never do a vote count without your glasses and right before you go to sleep...
storm886 (1) - 77_is_the_best
digitalmez (1) - std1997
Not voted(11) - THE CURRENT NEUTRALS(GmK, Endersteve5, Hypeburst, Jeercrul, digitalmez, JKangaroo, cooliorules, timdood3, storm886, ansoro2112, Samlen)
storm886 (1) - 77_is_the_best
digitalmez (1) - std1997
Not voted(11) - THE CURRENT NEUTRALS(GmK, Endersteve5, Hypeburst, Jeercrul, digitalmez, JKangaroo, cooliorules, timdood3, storm886, ansoro2112, Samlen)
GmK
International Man Of Cake
Ok, so, these are great posts, even if they - on the face of it - don't get us closer to a vote and lynch (as of yet).
I took the liberty and summarised all the main suspicions of each person (please correct me if wrong):
Coolio: Endersteve5, std1997, Timdood3, Storm886
JKang: Digi, coolio, tim, std
HypeBurst: std, (samlen)
Samlen: std, gmk, storm, coolio
ansoro: (digi?)
endersteve5: gmk, (std)
gmk: std, samlen, (storm / digi)
(in brackets if it seemed to me that you deemed the person slightly suspicious)
Of course we'd need more input to complete the list properly, but it tells me one thing:
Most of those that posted deem std1997 in some way or another shifty / suspicious. And I hope that these suspicions aren't based on what somebody else has written.
I've personally been wrecking my brain about why exactly I have a weird feeling about std, which is not only based in "lurking". Bored vanilla townies often lurk, but std himself has stated a while back that he only posts when he deems it necessary.
The question is: What makes him deem it necessary to post?
I went back to the last page and the pages before, and one thing got clear: Std appears when somebody puts suspicion on him, he appears very fast in that case, posts something, tries to seem "normal", and disappears again. Let's take a look at the last page:
Appears (after me noting that his lurking and not having an opinion seems shifty)
Votes digi, rehashing the arguments of others (which is fine, it's a justification of the vote at least!)
Disappears
Digi posts explanations about role...
...but std is missing yet again, "his job is done".
But is that proof of anything? Nope, certainly not...
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You see the issue I have with std: Many people feel he is suspicious, but it cannot be pinpointed exactly, and it can especially not be pinpointed to any actual proof that he might be scum.
Except:
There is one thing that people might call massively flawed, but it has generally served me very well in scumhunting, and that are standarised scum tells which work with probability calculation within hundreds upon hundreds of forum mafia games. Some people have spent very very long in devising these things and have tested and re-tested them over and over.
And one of the strongest standarised scum tells is: The third person in a voting wagon is most likely mafia (followed with less probability by the fourth being likely mafia). There are other tells of course, but this one fits the situation very well: std was the third vote on digi (at that point).
My playstyle will always be to use rash-seeming votes in order to elicit a reaction from players, which can tell extremely much (and often clear that player, but will always get me to be suspicious, oh well), so for now:
vote std1997
(and please, only follow that if you see any merit in my argumentation. I personally do feel like std could be scum, but I simply want him to start explaining and talking a bit more, otherwise he is a risk to the town by not actively working with us to go against scum)
I took the liberty and summarised all the main suspicions of each person (please correct me if wrong):
Coolio: Endersteve5, std1997, Timdood3, Storm886
JKang: Digi, coolio, tim, std
HypeBurst: std, (samlen)
Samlen: std, gmk, storm, coolio
ansoro: (digi?)
endersteve5: gmk, (std)
gmk: std, samlen, (storm / digi)
(in brackets if it seemed to me that you deemed the person slightly suspicious)
Of course we'd need more input to complete the list properly, but it tells me one thing:
Most of those that posted deem std1997 in some way or another shifty / suspicious. And I hope that these suspicions aren't based on what somebody else has written.
I've personally been wrecking my brain about why exactly I have a weird feeling about std, which is not only based in "lurking". Bored vanilla townies often lurk, but std himself has stated a while back that he only posts when he deems it necessary.
The question is: What makes him deem it necessary to post?
I went back to the last page and the pages before, and one thing got clear: Std appears when somebody puts suspicion on him, he appears very fast in that case, posts something, tries to seem "normal", and disappears again. Let's take a look at the last page:
Appears (after me noting that his lurking and not having an opinion seems shifty)
Votes digi, rehashing the arguments of others (which is fine, it's a justification of the vote at least!)
Disappears
Digi posts explanations about role...
...but std is missing yet again, "his job is done".
But is that proof of anything? Nope, certainly not...
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You see the issue I have with std: Many people feel he is suspicious, but it cannot be pinpointed exactly, and it can especially not be pinpointed to any actual proof that he might be scum.
Except:
There is one thing that people might call massively flawed, but it has generally served me very well in scumhunting, and that are standarised scum tells which work with probability calculation within hundreds upon hundreds of forum mafia games. Some people have spent very very long in devising these things and have tested and re-tested them over and over.
And one of the strongest standarised scum tells is: The third person in a voting wagon is most likely mafia (followed with less probability by the fourth being likely mafia). There are other tells of course, but this one fits the situation very well: std was the third vote on digi (at that point).
Bandwagonning Redefined: "The Butter Zone"
After some experience off-site (this section is written as of 12/29/10), I came to an interesting conclusion: the scum there almost always had a particular voting range: votes 3-5. Why was that? Why that particular zone? Why were the scum almost always right there? I found the answer. Why?
Because it's right in the middle of a wagon. It's not just on MafiaScum where people late on the bandwagon are considered scummy, you know. That seems to be pretty universal, actually. But why not the first vote? It's simple scum reasoning, really. People voting early are not likely to be scum, because they're pushing for a lynch early, which is risky as scum. Quite simply put, while scum CAN start a wagon, they don't want to.
For starters, they need pro-town players lynched. A new bandwagon has no guarantee of achieving this. Scum being the pragmatic folks they are tend to want a more practical approach: stick with what's there, already. More than that, there's always a risk their started wagon IS successful. What happens to the original starter of the wagon? They will almost universally catch flak. Sure, probably not much and easily deflected, but still, scum don't like that kind of attention on them.
As for why they don't vote late? As mentioned, EVERYONE knows it's a scumtell. Everyone. That includes the scum, by the way. And as we all know, things evolve over time. Including how scum play. We all know scum voting late in a wagon is a scumtell. Therefore, scum try to avoid it at all costs. Because it's common knowledge that scum arrive late on the wagon, scum...won't arrive late on the wagon. Simple as that. It's so common, in fact, that this knowledge might as well make the tell null.
"But Mastin!" you cry. "If they don't want to be early on the wagon, yet hate to be late on the wagon, what do they do? Stay off every wagon?!? That makes no sense!" Well, let's not ramble on about that. (Fencesitting is a personal tell of mine; always has been. But as I have done it before, I recognize there's a difference between town-fencing and scum-fencing.) Instead of focusing on people not on the wagon, let's focus on a third category:
People in the middle.
"What's so bad about being in the middle?!?" Well, true, town can be in the middle, too. It's just that it's far more likely to come from scum. Why? Process of elimination. Simply put, scum want the middle. They want that sweet spot which most players overlook in a wagon. People pay attention to the wagon-starters. People pay attention to the late-wagoners. Not nearly as many people pay attention to the middle--and as scum, that makes it the perfect hangout, no? Scum prefer to be in the MIDDLE of a wagon, which (depending on the game's size) is anywhere from votes 2-6. I call it the "Butter Zone". Where the scum have the least amount of chance (by current site meta expectations) to be found. If everyone looks at the end, and everyone looks at the beginning, hang out in the middle.
After some experience off-site (this section is written as of 12/29/10), I came to an interesting conclusion: the scum there almost always had a particular voting range: votes 3-5. Why was that? Why that particular zone? Why were the scum almost always right there? I found the answer. Why?
Because it's right in the middle of a wagon. It's not just on MafiaScum where people late on the bandwagon are considered scummy, you know. That seems to be pretty universal, actually. But why not the first vote? It's simple scum reasoning, really. People voting early are not likely to be scum, because they're pushing for a lynch early, which is risky as scum. Quite simply put, while scum CAN start a wagon, they don't want to.
For starters, they need pro-town players lynched. A new bandwagon has no guarantee of achieving this. Scum being the pragmatic folks they are tend to want a more practical approach: stick with what's there, already. More than that, there's always a risk their started wagon IS successful. What happens to the original starter of the wagon? They will almost universally catch flak. Sure, probably not much and easily deflected, but still, scum don't like that kind of attention on them.
As for why they don't vote late? As mentioned, EVERYONE knows it's a scumtell. Everyone. That includes the scum, by the way. And as we all know, things evolve over time. Including how scum play. We all know scum voting late in a wagon is a scumtell. Therefore, scum try to avoid it at all costs. Because it's common knowledge that scum arrive late on the wagon, scum...won't arrive late on the wagon. Simple as that. It's so common, in fact, that this knowledge might as well make the tell null.
"But Mastin!" you cry. "If they don't want to be early on the wagon, yet hate to be late on the wagon, what do they do? Stay off every wagon?!? That makes no sense!" Well, let's not ramble on about that. (Fencesitting is a personal tell of mine; always has been. But as I have done it before, I recognize there's a difference between town-fencing and scum-fencing.) Instead of focusing on people not on the wagon, let's focus on a third category:
People in the middle.
"What's so bad about being in the middle?!?" Well, true, town can be in the middle, too. It's just that it's far more likely to come from scum. Why? Process of elimination. Simply put, scum want the middle. They want that sweet spot which most players overlook in a wagon. People pay attention to the wagon-starters. People pay attention to the late-wagoners. Not nearly as many people pay attention to the middle--and as scum, that makes it the perfect hangout, no? Scum prefer to be in the MIDDLE of a wagon, which (depending on the game's size) is anywhere from votes 2-6. I call it the "Butter Zone". Where the scum have the least amount of chance (by current site meta expectations) to be found. If everyone looks at the end, and everyone looks at the beginning, hang out in the middle.
My playstyle will always be to use rash-seeming votes in order to elicit a reaction from players, which can tell extremely much (and often clear that player, but will always get me to be suspicious, oh well), so for now:
vote std1997
(and please, only follow that if you see any merit in my argumentation. I personally do feel like std could be scum, but I simply want him to start explaining and talking a bit more, otherwise he is a risk to the town by not actively working with us to go against scum)
Enderfive
sarcasm incarnate
I am surprisingly okay with this, to be honest. It makes sense. Something in my mind now cannot unsee what GmK just stated about std. I can volunteer to be the third vote, if nobody else wants to be that considering what GmK just said.
GmK
International Man Of Cake
inb4 we will never get more votes than two, since everybody will all be "third vote, must be scum!!!" - that was not my intention at all of course, the rule only applies if there is a general suspicion anyhow, otherwise it would be completely nonsensical to go by "who voted when" on itself every single time.
And I can see std reading the thread - always there when needed <3
@GmK pls 
First you accuse me of lurking and now I'm mafia for trying to participate
I can understand why many would be suspicious of the dude who doesn't post much, has not claimed a role, or even an inn (if anyone cared to notice). I've avoided so far from doing all those because most people don't care but instead people seem to be convinced I'm lurking with some menacing purpose, which to rest your minds at ease. I can gurantee you I am not.
Also I voted as a third-person on digi because I got back and agreed with JK/Samlen's logic. Just because I voted third doesn't mean I'm somehow mafia. I'm honestly confused as to how that is even a solid enough base to vote someone off of.
Now if you're doing this all to just get me to post. I will.
First you accuse me of lurking and now I'm mafia for trying to participate I can understand why many would be suspicious of the dude who doesn't post much, has not claimed a role, or even an inn (if anyone cared to notice). I've avoided so far from doing all those because most people don't care but instead people seem to be convinced I'm lurking with some menacing purpose, which to rest your minds at ease. I can gurantee you I am not.
I vote a post necessary to reply to when you start picking at straws to try and prove that I'm somehow Mafia and when posting my somewhat composed thoughts of the day/night. I also post when I have suspicions or a vote to cast. I also prefer not to reply every time a thought decides to grace my brain with it's presence because that seems like a waste of my time trying to post it and a waste of everyone's time by making everyone try to understand my thought process.
Also I voted as a third-person on digi because I got back and agreed with JK/Samlen's logic. Just because I voted third doesn't mean I'm somehow mafia. I'm honestly confused as to how that is even a solid enough base to vote someone off of.
Now if you're doing this all to just get me to post. I will.
I make a massive post for you. Be proud of me GmK-Senpai <3
Wheeeee more posting by std because I'm lurking.
Digitalmez: I'm voting for her because I wouldn't exactly feel safe if I suddenly got kill hit by a bounced off by digi. I also don't believe she mentioned her win-condition unless I missed something.
Hypeburst: Hypeburst is hypeburst. That's all I've really got. He always come off to me as overly aggressive and egotistical but that's just because that's how he is \o/
GmK: He made me have to actually try to act like I have an opinion on everything in this game so he's obviously scum. No, but really. I always get scum feels from him whenever I've played with him but that's because I don't trust a guy who hosts a crazy game like Masquerade was <_<
Endersteve: I found it odd that he somehow finds logic within the 3-person vote scum thing considering he did it with Swate.
Cooliorules: Normal coolio. most likely some form of townie role. still forming thoughts on her.
JKangaroo (JK Rowling): I find his posts about Ooglie to be solid but he's too trusting of everyone else. His posts are also so massive that it makes it easier for him to hide his slip-ups within his massive novels.
Timdood3: His posts make as much sense as mine do when I try to post so I don't see much of a problem with him. He's trying at least.
77_is_the_best: disappeared after the whole party during the night I think and hasn't really made any posts outside of that. If anyone is getting accused for lurking outside
Samlen: Sound enough logic, seems to be town or have at least a town-sided win condition.
Ansoro2112: Surprisingly quiet for him. Though it seems to mostly be because he's watching the Costa Rica games but he's more active on RoF than he has been in this thread.
Honestly, outside of Digi. I don't really have a "scummy opinion" on anyone. I know GmK mainly tried to find some straws to pull so I would actually post in the thread more than once every other 3rd page. If anyone was to have a scummy impression on me. It'd be 77. He's active fairly often in the Inns but during the main thread, He just seems to disappear almost completely.
Digitalmez: I'm voting for her because I wouldn't exactly feel safe if I suddenly got kill hit by a bounced off by digi. I also don't believe she mentioned her win-condition unless I missed something.
Hypeburst: Hypeburst is hypeburst. That's all I've really got. He always come off to me as overly aggressive and egotistical but that's just because that's how he is \o/
GmK: He made me have to actually try to act like I have an opinion on everything in this game so he's obviously scum. No, but really. I always get scum feels from him whenever I've played with him but that's because I don't trust a guy who hosts a crazy game like Masquerade was <_<
Endersteve: I found it odd that he somehow finds logic within the 3-person vote scum thing considering he did it with Swate.
Cooliorules: Normal coolio. most likely some form of townie role. still forming thoughts on her.
JKangaroo (JK Rowling): I find his posts about Ooglie to be solid but he's too trusting of everyone else. His posts are also so massive that it makes it easier for him to hide his slip-ups within his massive novels.
Timdood3: His posts make as much sense as mine do when I try to post so I don't see much of a problem with him. He's trying at least.
77_is_the_best: disappeared after the whole party during the night I think and hasn't really made any posts outside of that. If anyone is getting accused for lurking outside
Samlen: Sound enough logic, seems to be town or have at least a town-sided win condition.
Ansoro2112: Surprisingly quiet for him. Though it seems to mostly be because he's watching the Costa Rica games but he's more active on RoF than he has been in this thread.
Honestly, outside of Digi. I don't really have a "scummy opinion" on anyone. I know GmK mainly tried to find some straws to pull so I would actually post in the thread more than once every other 3rd page. If anyone was to have a scummy impression on me. It'd be 77. He's active fairly often in the Inns but during the main thread, He just seems to disappear almost completely.
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